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  • swampgator
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    • Dec 2013
    • 47

    #1

    The Perversion of the Right Stick

    I'm completely baffled at the lack of outrage over this "mechanic" in the game and I'd like to get a real discussion going.

    The use of the right stick creates a day and night difference in gameplay and AI awareness

    If you're skeptical, please give this a try.

    On defense, hold the RS in the direction of the puck (usually up because of the camera angle). All of a sudden, the AI and your controlled player have some sense about them. Pucks now don't magically go through your perfectly positioned players. It is now easier to strip your opponent of the puck. It also doesn't matter who your controlling. The right stick will make your CPU players attack on defense, step up and intercept passes, and lay big hits.

    The difference is incredible. Your player and your team's CPU players' awareness and propensity towards affecting the puck and be aggressive on defense or on the forecheck become extremely increased. I've even seen it affect my goalie's consistency and awareness in covering the puck. NOT OK.

    To me, this is how the game should play by default and there should not be an extra reward for jamming or holding the RS in a direction. Stick play and puck interaction needs to be re-thought for NHL 17. I really like the idea of using the right stick for loose puck battles (i.e. a defensive skill stick). But there should be repercussions for indiscriminately spamming the right stick (slashing). AND IT SHOULD NEVER AFFECT THE PLAY OF YOUR CPU CONTROLLED PLAYERS INCLUDING YOUR GOALIE


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    I will continue testing this thesis and once I'm back from vacation would be happy to post some comparison videos. The lightbulb came on when I was getting tanked online by this dude who was 27-2-0. It was 4-0 through 2 1/2 periods. Then I gave this a try (I already knew the right stick had a major effect, just never tried holding it in a direction). I dominated the last half of the 3rd and got back within 1 before the horn sounded. I couldn't touch this dude and all of sudden with this one tweak I was laying hits, intercepting passes and relentless on the forecheck? Not a coincidence. And in light of consistency, I always play with the Capitals, I'm from DC. So we won't be seeing the effect of a better team, just the right stick.

    If this discussion goes well I'd like to talk about some other fixes for 17. Dynamic L2 skating, Redefined boardplay/tie ups in front, change protect puck, allow skating when dekeing with the right stick, stick collision, phantom lift-stick slashes, etc.
    Last edited by swampgator; 03-27-2016, 02:04 AM.
  • SuperGoalies
    MVP
    • Apr 2013
    • 3291

    #2
    Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

    I could say the same about goalie mode also, goalie with out the puck when AI Human CPU players are at the AI CPUs zone, you could move the left stick in the direction which AI Human CPU they will move that direction, now for right stick I think is little odd at times in goalie mode while moving left stick in the direction you want AI Human CPU players to move in & I also move the right stick if I want the AI Human CPU to shoot or pass, am I imagining things or what, , makes me wonder if they should add shot aim targeting for goalie mode also, but... for now we can't see the shot aim targeting in goalie mode.


    but there is something odd with left stick and right stick in goalie mode, I just can't explain it with out you someone here to show it too, .

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    • Fiddy
      Twitch/YouTube: Fiddy14
      • Jul 2002
      • 12727

      #3
      Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

      Originally posted by swampgator
      I'm completely baffled at the lack of outrage over this "mechanic" in the game and I'd like to get a real discussion going.

      The use of the right stick creates a day and night difference in gameplay and AI awareness
      This works for sure. Just tried it during a few games. I played like i usually do, good gap etc, AI is laid back etc.

      I then held in LT while pressing up on the right stick and my AI attacked the puck carrier and was more aggressive with sticks in lanes, stick lifts, etc.

      Hilarious.

      Edit -

      Dumping and chasing now is great, i dump puck in zone, hold right stick towards the area of the puck, and the AI line mates go in and battle, stick lifts etc.

      Game changer here!

      Great find!
      Last edited by Fiddy; 03-27-2016, 11:44 AM.
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      • swampgator
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        • Dec 2013
        • 47

        #4
        Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

        Fiddy, lol it's incredible right?? This NEEDS to be fixed for 17

        SuperGoalies, you are on the money. This works no matter what position you're playing. Even AI teammates in EASHL are killer using this strategy. You can literally swing the whole game with your use of the sticks even when your 200 feet away from the puck. Not sure if there's a coach mode (haven't dabbled too much in offline) but if there is I'd imagine this would be your ace in the hole to dominate.


        Please, everyone try this and witness the BS haha. We need to have EA rework something they've programmed to have this affect nulled for the game next year.

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        • RedBull1973
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          • Feb 2015
          • 23

          #5
          Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

          Originally posted by swampgator
          Fiddy, lol it's incredible right?? This NEEDS to be fixed for 17

          SuperGoalies, you are on the money. This works no matter what position you're playing. Even AI teammates in EASHL are killer using this strategy. You can literally swing the whole game with your use of the sticks even when your 200 feet away from the puck. Not sure if there's a coach mode (haven't dabbled too much in offline) but if there is I'd imagine this would be your ace in the hole to dominate.


          Please, everyone try this and witness the BS haha. We need to have EA rework something they've programmed to have this affect nulled for the game next year.

          I have witnessed the BS for four years now...and that is without the mystery of the right stick. I really pray that somebody else (2K?) tries their hand at the NHL series because EA has no clue what they are doing any more. This game is ZERO FUN online right now.

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          • bad_philanthropy
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            • Jul 2005
            • 12167

            #6
            Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

            I'd suggest you make a video about it and post it here. It'll get reposted on various other forums, and reddit, and twitter. Might get some sort of response.

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            • swampgator
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              • Dec 2013
              • 47

              #7
              Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

              So I did some testing last night and I will post videos when I'm more sure of what is happening. Like SuperGoalies said, it's actually some combination of the left and right stick so it's a little more complex than I originally thought. It's almost like continuously fiddling RS while directing your LS towards the play/puck carrier or in the passing lane.

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              • OilCountry93
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                • Mar 2015
                • 200

                #8
                Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

                Unbelievable how much this changes things. It's like a new game altogether for me. Thanks swampgator for the insight!

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                • Fiddy
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 12727

                  #9
                  Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

                  Default all star hardcore sliders and I held the CPU under 70% in passing. Stunned.
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                  • actionhank
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                    • Jan 2010
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                    #10
                    Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

                    So, let me just make sure I understand this.

                    You can essentially "Call" targets, by pointing at the puck carrier with the right stick, and the AI members of your team will go skate to attack the puck?

                    This is nuts. I need to get a PS4 again so I can test this out. It would be great to not have brain-dead AI all around me.

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                    • RedBull1973
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                      • Feb 2015
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                      #11
                      Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

                      So how do you do something like this without running over your opponents with your selected skater and getting called for interference?

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                      • bad_philanthropy
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                        • Jul 2005
                        • 12167

                        #12
                        Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

                        Originally posted by RedBull1973
                        So how do you do something like this without running over your opponents with your selected skater and getting called for interference?
                        Was wondering the same thing. Tried it myself, didn't notice anything. Might have to do with hit assistance setting. My slider is at 0.

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                        • hawkeyekid
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                          • Feb 2003
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                          #13
                          Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

                          Quick question....do you have to hold the right stick towards the target?

                          Let's say you dump the puck with Duncan Keith and you want to stay towards the blue line but have Toews go chase and battle for the puck. Do I have to hold the right stick towards the puck for the time it takes for someone to chase and battle for the puck or can I just flick or press the right stick up for a second or 2 and then release it.
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                          • swampgator
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                            • Dec 2013
                            • 47

                            #14
                            Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

                            Originally posted by Fiddy
                            Default all star hardcore sliders and I held the CPU under 70% in passing. Stunned.
                            They need to write this functionality in as a default ON (not super versed in programming especially when it comes to video games, but hope this makes sense). Basically, this is how the AI should play without our input!

                            Originally posted by bad_philanthropy
                            Was wondering the same thing. Tried it myself, didn't notice anything. Might have to do with hit assistance setting. My slider is at 0.
                            So I'm doing all this testing online versus right now because that's my game mode. But it seems to have even more of an affect offline. I have known of this "glitch" if you will, since last year (15), but was really able to get consistent results in practice mode this year (why I love having a practice mode!). So I may give that a try next chance I get.

                            Originally posted by hawkeyekid
                            Quick question....do you have to hold the right stick towards the target?

                            Let's say you dump the puck with Duncan Keith and you want to stay towards the blue line but have Toews go chase and battle for the puck. Do I have to hold the right stick towards the puck for the time it takes for someone to chase and battle for the puck or can I just flick or press the right stick up for a second or 2 and then release it.
                            So the more testing we do, it seems to be a combo of the left and right stick. Pointing the left stick at the target (puck, puck carrier, etc) and fiddling the right stick UP. Almost like the "shot" mechanism or even just the action of activating the RS overrides everything else. But from what I saw last night, the best results came when I was playing normally with the LS and (in the proper situations) HOLDING the RS UP and...IMPORTANT, fiddling between like 10 and 2 o'clock.

                            So for dumps its maybe not that easy yet. Dump in with Alzner and then I would usually switch to Kuznetsov. Now that you're the forward/forechecker you can direct LS to where you think you'll have an angle and fiddling RS will almost hone you in and make executing the check easier. Since this game can be stupid and tiny Marchand can bounce off a hit from Ovi given the right circumstances, I usually pin the defenseman to the boards. Now you can use LS and RS to up the pressure on the forecheck some how. If the puck gets wrapped around the boards or thrown back up to the point, the right use of the LS and RS seems to direct even your AI to jump the lane and corral the puck. It's so funky its hard to tell what the fool proof method is yet, though.

                            I really want to get this info to the gamechangers. I really want some first hand feedback on this from Ram or Ben Ross and see how we can fix or tweak this mechanism so that its useful for the controlled player but also so it doesn't affect the AI.
                            Last edited by swampgator; 03-29-2016, 03:12 PM.

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                            • SuperGoalies
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                              • Apr 2013
                              • 3291

                              #15
                              Re: The Perversion of the Right Stick

                              this thing with left stick and right stick , does have its pros and cons, it will work little bit, like your team will score 4 goals or 5, but suddenly your team will rope a dope, meaning they will suddenly go in the defensive and sit back while AI CPU will run all over you, AI Human CPU will sit back for 2-3 periods, and this doesn't make sense, I even have BAP Strategy adjustment at 4 (Maxed) and CPU Strategy Adjustment: 1, its almost like they nerfed BAP Strategy Adjustment at some point in roster updates, cause at the beginning of the year AI Human CPU was alot more aggressive at beginning of the year, but now with nerf BAP Strategy Adjustment: 4 (Maxed) is not really aggressive changes anymore.


                              am conspicey theorist , there are things in adjustments that don't make sense, what are they targeting, too me it looks like they are trying to replicate something but.. are failing to replicate it while doing so, I usually preach this stuff at EA Sports forums and people call me crazy.


                              I said alot lately that its infinstructure damage to the game, I also brought up to them its the 'bot routes", cause I've never seen Tuner Updates do that to them game, then something came to me one day.


                              tuner updates effect the passive abilitys of the AI CPU and AI Human CPU, but they don't really effect the character models them selfs or bot routes, its the roster updates that really effect the game and its character models and bot routes. but yah.. there is something they are trying to do or replicate , when you look at the 80s - 16 of NHL games side by side , you can see, game hasn't been hardly touched at all.


                              but yah what are they trying to do and why hasn't bot routes been touched for so long.




                              but ever year I find something new in the game

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