SO tired of the PLAYER DEVELOPMENT

[NinthFall]

I know nobody cares, but if the garbage outdated player development system in BaGM isn't fixed or different in NHL 17, I will never buy the game. This garbage potential system ruins the entire mode.

I love be a gm and I love building a team, developing players - it's the only thing I do in NHL game.

So faking tired of working my butt off in the hopes of developing players playing 82 games + playoffs manually, only to see their overalls dropping or not developing at all. Only high end rookies seem to gain boosts. I'm not asking for that type of boosts, but some sort of exp system and / or the training system from Fifa needs to be added.

It's so unrealistic to have a 50 goal season on a player you like and develops in real life too and then see him not develop one bit. A 3rd liner for life, locked up at that.

Nobody wants to have players develop to their 90s in 1 season either. McDavids only come to drafts once in a decade.

Also, what the fak is up with the later BaGM mode when you can no longer draft any player worth anything if he's not in the top 10 draft?

Noting that you cannot develop them either, they are locked at that stupid potential system.

[Simple Mathematics]

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I agree here. The potential system needs so much love. And the CPU generated rookies after a few years are really bad. They just have completely randomized attributes. You'll get a guy with 85 speed but 67 acceleration. Or like 80 puck control but 62 passing. They have to have player types affect attributes of the CPU generated rookies. Like if a player is a sniper, then he should have good shooting attributes. This seems pretty basic, but it still has to be said.

Also with the draft, I am tired of seeing enforcers and grinders being drafted in the first round - especially in the top 5. Come on now, this would never ever happen.

All of BaGM needs so much attention but sadly I don't think it will get it.

[Nickflyers]

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All of BaGM needs so much attention but sadly I don't think it will get it.

Agreed. Do we have a rep from OS going to that GameChanger specifically for BAGM?

[Simple Mathematics]

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Agreed. Do we have a rep from OS going to that GameChanger specifically for BAGM?

I don't believe so.

[azy19]

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There is statistical growth though and it does work(sometimes). In a Be A GM with Toronto I was just simming the first season and tanking for a good draft pick. But because of the sim engine we were close to getting a playoff spot with the worst team. Brad Boyes ended up getting 40 goals and went up to like 87 in the next year.

[NinthFall]

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There is statistical growth though and it does work(sometimes). In a Be A GM with Toronto I was just simming the first season and tanking for a good draft pick. But because of the sim engine we were close to getting a playoff spot with the worst team. Brad Boyes ended up getting 40 goals and went up to like 87 in the next year.

Some players develop oddly enough. You pick up Semin from free agents if he has top 6 potential, even though it's exact - he'll be 86 overall if you play him on 2nd or 1st line.

Some don't develop despite of getting the same score as the players whom did develop.

The logic is beyond me.

I've now had 4x 30 goal seasons with Vincent Trocheck, but he remains a 3rd liner for life, 83 overall. It sucks and is unrealistic, because I can lock up this multiple 30 goal scorer to a 1.7m/year 8 year deal.

Other ideal example is Nick Bjugstad. Dude won't develop a **** from 87 overall. He can be sensational all season long, play like Sidney Crosby but he's locked up at that overall.

All this potential randomness and illogical system is making me so bored at the whole GM mode. I like to develop players - myself. It's my job as a GM. Not some random potential changes... A low rated player with no hopes for future could work their assess off and become stars, that'd be fun to see, but it's never going to happen in EA NHL.

[actionhank]

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There is statistical growth though and it does work(sometimes). In a Be A GM with Toronto I was just simming the first season and tanking for a good draft pick. But because of the sim engine we were close to getting a playoff spot with the worst team. Brad Boyes ended up getting 40 goals and went up to like 87 in the next year.

I guess personally I think players like Boyes should still decline in skills with age. I think for skilled players things like shot and accuracy shouldn't really decline much. Strength should decline, but at a slower rate, most likely. But speed and agility should be the thing that decreases most for everyone. Maybe vision and awareness as well, since your mental edge starts to wain with your physical abilities. This way, guys who are really great shots like Stamkos and Boyes will still have roles as they get to the last 3 or so years in their careers. They will still have great shots, excellent passing, but their speed will likely deteriorate, as will their agility, changing how you use them.

It would be nice to see injuries compound too. Have guys like Havlat who over the years just can't escape the injury bug and slowly lose their speed and agility, but they still have a good shot so teams can still use them to get to the cap floor, or to help rookies and take a powerplay spot.

[NinthFall]

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I guess personally I think players like Boyes should still decline in skills with age. I think for skilled players things like shot and accuracy shouldn't really decline much. Strength should decline, but at a slower rate, most likely. But speed and agility should be the thing that decreases most for everyone. Maybe vision and awareness as well, since your mental edge starts to wain with your physical abilities. This way, guys who are really great shots like Stamkos and Boyes will still have roles as they get to the last 3 or so years in their careers. They will still have great shots, excellent passing, but their speed will likely deteriorate, as will their agility, changing how you use them.

It would be nice to see injuries compound too. Have guys like Havlat who over the years just can't escape the injury bug and slowly lose their speed and agility, but they still have a good shot so teams can still use them to get to the cap floor, or to help rookies and take a powerplay spot.

That's what they are trying to do right now. Pre-code the development process.

I had Luongo at 36-37 years of age end the season with a career high 0.972 saving % and about 20-30 shutouts. It's because I played manually, but still his overall dropped after the season.

It's realistic that a player drops overall by age, but it's not working correctly. Sometimes you have players at the age of 31-32 start dropping overall vastly with no reason whatsoever. For example, I had a great season with Jussi Jokinen, 85 overall. He has about 20 goals and 35 assists. Not a career season, but better than the previous season. For some reason though, at the age of 33 after the season he had dropped from 85 to 83.

So, I say end these pre-coded stuff. Or at least let players decide whether they want that system or exp system.

[extremeskins04]

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That's what they are trying to do right now. Pre-code the development process.

I had Luongo at 36-37 years of age end the season with a career high 0.972 saving % and about 20-30 shutouts. It's because I played manually, but still his overall dropped after the season.

It's realistic that a player drops overall by age, but it's not working correctly. Sometimes you have players at the age of 31-32 start dropping overall vastly with no reason whatsoever. For example, I had a great season with Jussi Jokinen, 85 overall. He has about 20 goals and 35 assists. Not a career season, but better than the previous season. For some reason though, at the age of 33 after the season he had dropped from 85 to 83.

So, I say end these pre-coded stuff. Or at least let players decide whether they want that system or exp system.

Luongo at 36 years old should regress even if he has a decent season. IMO any player over the age of 30 should start regressing. If they have a good season, his attributes should stay the same and not move until they get to the age of 34.

[KomicJ]

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While I agree that player development should be improved upon, I think you can apply that to the whole Be-A-Gm experience at this point. Hopefully, the video released earlier today (I think) is a sign that offline Franchise play has been on their main focus list this year, because things have been pretty stagnant eversince the integration of EASHL and other online features.

Player development is one thing, the scouting and drafting part is another.

[actionhank]

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I think being able to focus training and see on-ice and attributes reflect that would be nice.

Different players could be more open to training/learning, and maybe have younger guys obviously excel compared to older players. This could also tie into a positioning system where players would do better in their natural position, and suffer if played in a position where they don't naturally play.

This could be great for rookie players, and younger guys. Say (like the Blues) you've got three guys at RD (Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk and Parayko). You want to keep all 3, and manage to sign all 3...but you would be thin at LD and wasting talented players on 3rd pairing minutes.
So you take a younger rookie like Parayko and in pre-season and maybe training camp/sessions you could try him out at LD, and have his practice focus on that. That would mix with his learning attributes and through practice and game time he would slowly get to the point where he's "Good" at that position, though maybe still naturally better at RD, due to playing it growing up. This could also be boosted or hurt by your coaches and trainers that you sign.

Similarly, a veteran goalie like Elliott could benefit from getting a really good goalie coach (Like Corsi) and then having them focus on a specific part of the goalies' game like rebound control. On the flip-side, having poor coaches, or players who don't take to learning might hurt other parts of their game from lack of focus, or just show no improvement at all.

It would be nice to be able to shape the players towards how you want your team to play, and to build on their natural abilities.

[NinthFall]

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Luongo at 36 years old should regress even if he has a decent season. IMO any player over the age of 30 should start regressing. If they have a good season, his attributes should stay the same and not move until they get to the age of 34.

That's just bad. Why would anyone have a 30+ year old then? Why not keep trading for possible 90+ rookies?

There's no point in what you're saying imo. And older guys learn from younger guys too. A good example is Willie Mitcehll, 38 years (39 now) who learned some sort of "quick wristshot" from Aaron Ekblad, 19 years old. And it showed on ice. A shot that is "easy" to direct. Mitchell has always been consired more of a defensive d-man, but surprisingly Ekblad taught something.

Surely their development should be slow, but not non-existent.

Also, nice ideas @actionhank

[extremeskins04]

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That's just bad. Why would anyone have a 30+ year old then? Why not keep trading for possible 90+ rookies?

There's no point in what you're saying imo. And older guys learn from younger guys too. A good example is Willie Mitcehll, 38 years (39 now) who learned some sort of "quick wristshot" from Aaron Ekblad, 19 years old. And it showed on ice. A shot that is "easy" to direct. Mitchell has always been consired more of a defensive d-man, but surprisingly Ekblad taught something.

Surely their development should be slow, but not non-existent.

Also, nice ideas @actionhank

I hear you but what I'm saying is, if players are around mid-30's in age or so they should regress unless they have monster seasons and even then they shouldn't progress any further, maybe just stay the same. That's how it is in NBA 2k16, FIFA, MLB 16 The Show, etc. It works.

[NinthFall]

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I hear you but what I'm saying is, if players are around mid-30's in age or so they should regress unless they have monster seasons and even then they shouldn't progress any further, maybe just stay the same. That's how it is in NBA 2k16, FIFA, MLB 16 The Show, etc. It works.

I play Fifa quite a lot and that's not how it is in Fifa. I just had a 31 year old central middlefielder develop from 80 to 82.

Also in Fifa you can choose 5 players to train every week, so no one is really locked up at any overall.

The thing is, that all this locking up players or forcing their overall down is ridiculous imo. Overall should depend on performance, a good player is simply a good player.

Surely age can affect SOME aspects of their performance, e.g. speed and same with injuries.

But just because a player turns 30 he should not stop right there. That's not fun for the gamer and not realistic either

[extremeskins04]

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I play Fifa quite a lot and that's not how it is in Fifa. I just had a 31 year old central middlefielder develop from 80 to 82.

Also in Fifa you can choose 5 players to train every week, so no one is really locked up at any overall.

The thing is, that all this locking up players or forcing their overall down is ridiculous imo. Overall should depend on performance, a good player is simply a good player.

Surely age can affect SOME aspects of their performance, e.g. speed and same with injuries.

But just because a player turns 30 he should not stop right there. That's not fun for the gamer and not realistic either

I meant for players that are 30+ like 34 or 35 years old. They should not progress anymore. They still have their presence and their quality of play but they shouldn't progress in stats at that age. 30 is different.

I've never seen a FIFA player (even Ronaldo or Messi) progress when they hit 32+ in age. Ever. I've been playing FIFA and Football Manager for years. Just saying.