Zero reason to use high overall pitchers

[SmallPurse]

With these guys out there...

Carlos Martinez
Yordano VenturA
Garret Richards

If you can hit the pitch meter, these guys are just nasty

[yyhy89]

Re: Zero reason to use high overall pitchers

I never pick anything above bronze pitchers in Battle Royale, and never spend stubs on them unless it involves a mission. Not worth it.

Walker for the Mariners is really good. Great fastball/change up velocity differential.

[DarkArrow]

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I like threads like these, wish they got more exposure.
Someone should start a thread "Pitcher gems rated 85 & under" or keep this one going ;-)

There's a good number of lower overall rated pitchers that are just filthy both on and offline.
Gotta agree with your choices T.Walker I have a hard time hitting myself.
I'll add a couple which I've pitched with recently:

83 Michael Wacha (STL), the K machine from St-Louis. Incredibly effective mix of pitches
76 Roenis Elias (BOS) a Lefty with good command and a good mix of pitches to keep your opponents off balance. His Break rating is 90, that says it all.
73 Steven Wright (BOS) this guy is like a young RA Dickey with his nasty KnuckleCurve AND a curve + standard fastball.

On the higher end (but still not diamond) if you can afford 88 Darvish @ less than 10k, go for it

[VoItage]

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I completely disagree. Their ratings are too low, making the PCI huge and it's easy to crush them. I absolutely smoke those three.

Now a power pitcher WITH good ratings... those can be tough. Harvey, De Grom, Syndergaard, 89 Ubaldo, etc.

I'm speaking for DD H2H.

[DarkArrow]

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^^ it's all relative. if you're opponent is pitching down the middle or painting the edges etc. All the pitchers mentioned have good enough command not to throw meatballs.


but really ANY pitcher will get rocked when pitched with poorly, including your DeGroms, Harveys & Arrietas...

And you've played against Steven Wright online? I find that a bit suprising tbh.

[ZoltanZ]

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89 Ubaldo is a beast in my rotation and I get him even more frequently since I added Perry and hes my #1. I would never buy a pitcher, but I will take a solid legend or FB for completing a collection.

I actually think FB Liriano is really tough and have had some great games with him.

[DarkArrow]

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I liked FB Liriano as well until I got spanked 2 times. And for some reason I can't hit against him either.

I've been trying a lot of the lower rated FB's, they all seem to be good for a couple innings then they lose command or get hit hard.

I guess with all these pitchers it's all or nothing, they can have pitching gems as well as duds. That can pretty much be said about ALL pitchers, but the lower rated ones have more duds than gems, let's be honest.

[Kodii Rockets]

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^^ it's all relative. if you're opponent is pitching down the middle or painting the edges etc. All the pitchers mentioned have good enough command not to throw meatballs.


but really ANY pitcher will get rocked when pitched with poorly, including your DeGroms, Harveys & Arrietas...

And you've played against Steven Wright online? I find that a bit suprising tbh.

He's the 5th guy in my rotation. He's 3-0, but I stopped using him because it felt like cheese.

I don't like how the unpredictability of a knuckleball doesn't translate so well in this game, I want the catcher almost as confused as the batter out there. But no, the pitches go very close to exactly where you want them everytime, and the catcher always knows exactly where to grab it. Meh.

[DarkArrow]

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He's the 5th guy in my rotation. He's 3-0, but I stopped using him because it felt like cheese.

I don't like how the unpredictability of a knuckleball doesn't translate so well in this game, I want the catcher almost as confused as the batter out there. But no, the pitches go very close to exactly where you want them everytime, and the catcher always knows exactly where to grab it. Meh.

wow you hit the nail on the head.

I also feel guilty when I use a knuckleballer. And I also think that knuckleballs should be almost 95% unpredictable and not land EXACTLY where intended or pitched.

That's something they probably won't bother to fix.

[SmallPurse]

Re: Zero reason to use high overall pitchers

I completely disagree. Their ratings are too low, making the PCI huge and it's easy to crush them. I absolutely smoke those three.

Now a power pitcher WITH good ratings... those can be tough. Harvey, De Grom, Syndergaard, 89 Ubaldo, etc.

I'm speaking for DD H2H.

Well you did list the very few exceptions due to their velocity. I've personally experienced that velocity has a far bigger impact than overall ratings. That is if you know how to pitch effectively and change speeds, set batters up

[DarkArrow]

Re: Zero reason to use high overall pitchers

^
a few people on this forum and other places noted that overall doesn't mean much this year, especially with inside edge implemented, and I tend to agree.
Probably more so when it comes to pitchers.

I mostly look past the overall and go directly to the individual ratings.

But most of all, just like many things, you won't know until you try it, and I tend to want to try every single high bronze/low silver pitchers if the game would only cooperate ;-)

The conquest grind missions are probably the best way to do that, as you'll get to pitch with each team's pitcher in your rotation at least once or twice and discover who stands out.

[TookTheCrown]

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wow you hit the nail on the head.

I also feel guilty when I use a knuckleballer. And I also think that knuckleballs should be almost 95% unpredictable and not land EXACTLY where intended or pitched.

That's something they probably won't bother to fix.

Agree with the predictability. I threw Dickey a couple times, but I took him back out of the rotation when I realized his pitches wound up where I placed them more often than not. Part of the fun of a knuckleballer is watching the ball flutter all over the place and not really knowing where it'll wind up. A good hitter will know knuckles are most effective low and just sit his PCI down there with plenty time to react to a mistake high in the zone.

The transition from Dickey's 77mph to Sale/Capps' heat out of the pen was more effective than the actual knuckleballs imo.

[yyhy89]

Re: Zero reason to use high overall pitchers

Anyone here used/faced the Angels version of Nolan Ryan?

What's he like?

How do you get his card? Battle Royale?

[Superorange4g63]

Re: Zero reason to use high overall pitchers

I never pick anything above bronze pitchers in Battle Royale, and never spend stubs on them unless it involves a mission. Not worth it.

Walker for the Mariners is really good. Great fastball/change up velocity differential.

Walker is my favorite guy in my rotation and I have Nolan Ryan, darvish, and King Felix.

[KleShreen]

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I think I tend to agree with this. My rotation consists of mid-high 70's guys like Mike Fiers, Steven Matz and Derek Holland, and I am MUCH more effective with them than I am my 91 rookie DeGrom. He is by far the worst pitcher in my rotation even though he's the highest OVR in it by 12 points.