EA Sports UFC 2 Community Impressions

[Pepsi]

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Sounds like an exploit.

[fishingtime]

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Nice explanation.

[drinklime]

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Hooks and overhands are often used as a method to close distance on a fighter who is attempting to keep distance or utilizing jab/straight.

Hook or Overhand will not be intercepted if it is thrown on the same side as the jab. This is a counter to jabs in our current interruption system.

Example:

so if you throw a hook while your opponent throws a jab, is it the same as slipping inside with the sway button and landing a hook? because in the image he is slipping the jab but I thought that was the Sway action in UFC 2

[Pepsi]

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Yeah, that's slipping, not throwing a hook.

[Millennium]

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Alright guys. Place nice.

And stop reporting each other back and forth. We know what's going on. Just keep chatter about the game, and not each other.

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[fishingtime]

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so if you throw a hook while your opponent throws a jab, is it the same as slipping inside with the sway button and landing a hook? because in the image he is slipping the jab but I thought that was the Sway action in UFC 2

If you throw a right hook when they throw a left jab, it will allow the hook to interrupt. GPD told us about this the day of, or after the last patch. I think it was added as a counter to jab spam.

[Pepsi]

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That doesn't make any sense. There's no point in throwing a jab with the knowledge that a hook thrown at the same time will not be interrupted by its natural counter.

Why didn't they just drastically reduce the speed of jabs thrown after 2, plus drastically reduce the impact successive jabs will have?

[drinklime]

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If you throw a right hook when they throw a left jab, it will allow the hook to interrupt. GPD told us about this the day of, or after the last patch. I think it was added as a counter to jab spam.

but how is that different than swaying right and then throwing the hook. it makes it seem kind of pointless because its slower. or is there more damage? does it register as a counter or dodge in the game (for perks etc)? wait are you saying that a hook counts as a counter to a jab so it interrupts but there is also bonus/perk damage since its a counter now?

[ZHunter1990]

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That doesn't make any sense. There's no point in throwing a jab with the knowledge that a hook thrown at the same time will not be interrupted by its natural counter.

Why didn't they just drastically reduce the speed of jabs thrown after 2, plus drastically reduce the impact successive jabs will have?

There is certainly a reason to throw a jab. Its the fastest strike in the game and because of that, the best tool to use to stifle your opponents with the new strike interuptions is the jab.

If your opponents catches on to that and starts throwing hooks or overhands over the top(like real life) switch it up and lead with the straight instead.

[fishingtime]

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but how is that different than swaying right and then throwing the hook. it makes it seem kind of pointless because its slower. or is there more damage? does it register as a counter or dodge in the game (for perks etc)? wait are you saying that a hook counts as a counter to a jab so it interrupts but there is also bonus/perk damage since its a counter now?

I'm not talking about it being a counter as in "countering your opponent". More like rock, paper, scissors. There is a counter to each one. I think it is just a strike cancelling hook meant to be a "counter" to jab spam.

[Pepsi]

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There is certainly a reason to throw a jab. Its the fastest strike in the game and because of that, the best tool to use to stifle your opponents with the new strike interuptions is the jab.

If your opponents catches on to that and starts throwing hooks or overhands over the top(like real life) switch it up and lead with the straight instead.

I'm sorry, but I find it ridiculous that a jab thrown at the same time as a hook is always going to lose (according to Fish).

[fishingtime]

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Use hooks on the same side as their jab to close distance on a fighter who is over utilizing jabs. They will not be intercepted.

Hooks and overhands are often used as a method to close distance on a fighter who is attempting to keep distance or utilizing jab/straight.

Hook or Overhand will not be intercepted if it is thrown on the same side as the jab. This is a counter to jabs in our current interruption system.

Example:

From a guy who is actually part of the EA Sports UFC 2 team. This is confirmation.

[Bassi]

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but how is that different than swaying right and then throwing the hook. it makes it seem kind of pointless because its slower. or is there more damage? does it register as a counter or dodge in the game (for perks etc)? wait are you saying that a hook counts as a counter to a jab so it interrupts but there is also bonus/perk damage since its a counter now?

A sway and then a hook will increase your damage output significantly and is a better way to counter if you are looking to inflict damage since it is affected by perks and other tuning values.

If you stopped a jab interception by using a hook without swaying, it will not increase anything. It is just a normal hook. You will also still get hit with a jab. The only outcome is that you just won't be stopped in your tracks within the start up frames.

As for Pepsi, you are posting a lot of pictures, none of which are related to a jab, overhand/hook counter. It is fairly common in boxing and MMA. It was implemented as a rock, paper, scissors type meta, mentioned earlier.

In your picture, Koscheck is reacting to a jab, which is already well past the point of intercept. Koscheck was not using his Rear Hook/Overhand to counter the GSP jab (the same side as the jab is coming in). He is throwing out his lead hand, which is being overpowered by GSP's reach and jab. This scenario would play out in our title just like the picture.

You must throw the overhand/hook on the same side as the jab.

If you believe it is an exploit of some sort, please by all means counter every jab with a hook/overhand in an online match and post a video. I would love to see if what you are saying is in fact true.

[drinklime]

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does the straight do this as well since its a more direct counter to a jab? such as below

[Bassi]

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does the straight do this as well since its a more direct counter to a jab? such as below

If we did allow the cross to have the same ability, we would only see crosses thrown in online matches since they are:
A) Fast
B) Allow reach to play a major factor
C) Easy to combo off

A hook/overhand is not easy to combo with. There are only specific moves which will combo off them. A hook does not reach, it is a short range strike. And a hook/overhand is not the quickest strike in the title.

If we did allow the straight to be un-interceptable, would you throw a jab in competitive matches? The straight already gives you better damage, better hit reaction, and would now, with your change, counter every jab. That would be very overpowering. You would see Cross "spamming" be the main gameplan for all high level matches.

You can see the types of scenarios we have to think about when implementing the slightest meta-game changes. It gets tough.

Is it something we can investigate for the future? Absolutely. The more conversations like this, the better.