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  • RuggedRuffRaw
    Rookie
    • Apr 2016
    • 147

    #1

    Submission Chains broken against other players

    I had recently some fights in Ultimate Team, where I have a 5* Kimura. If I use it, it gives me the green submission chain transition always in the first stage of it. But on some matches it simply did not appear at all, or was hit by my opponent in no time. I started wondering about this, and found out, that you can do 360s continuously with the left stick without any disadvantage if you are the defender. This would render Transition chains against other players who know this useless.
    Anywone here with similiar observation?
  • segap
    Rookie
    • Apr 2016
    • 115

    #2
    Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

    Never actually thought about this ... Although it doesn't seem like that much of a bug to me ...

    by spinning the stick they're essentially giving up the first gate free of charge .
    So instead of getting your stage 3 , you're still getting to stage 2 . It's annoying but in fairness clever use of game mechanics

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    • RuggedRuffRaw
      Rookie
      • Apr 2016
      • 147

      #3
      Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

      Why are you giving up the first gate? you do 360s with the left stick, while filling up gates with the right one.

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      • segap
        Rookie
        • Apr 2016
        • 115

        #4
        Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

        Originally posted by RuggedRuffRaw
        Why are you giving up the first gate? you do 360s with the left stick, while filling up gates with the right one.
        sorry yeah , complete brain fart there
        Yeah definitely not fair but I'm guessing this will be become very common now
        So much for my lovely kimura from side control

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        • Boiler569
          MVP
          • Apr 2016
          • 2006

          #5
          Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

          hmmmm

          Never knew about this

          I won't use this knowledge for evil. Or will I?

          In all seriousness, I hope they fix this....

          But I also hope that they punish 'sub spam' somehow in the next patch...
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          • Abstrakt fists
            Rookie
            • Apr 2016
            • 369

            #6
            Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

            I knew there was something going on. I use kimura from half guard bottom a lot and noticed sometimes I wasn't getting my gate to switch to armbar.

            Anyone know what is happening when I arm trap someone in Mount and they just pop right back up? It's like the second the arm traps animation ends they pop up like a jack in the box. Is there a reversal/deny to the arm trap or something I don't know about? I've only seen this a few times but it seemed that the few who did it knew a trick I don't.

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            • Morgan Monkman
              North of 60
              • Apr 2016
              • 1385

              #7
              Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

              Originally posted by Abstrakt fists
              I knew there was something going on. I use kimura from half guard bottom a lot and noticed sometimes I wasn't getting my gate to switch to armbar.

              Anyone know what is happening when I arm trap someone in Mount and they just pop right back up? It's like the second the arm traps animation ends they pop up like a jack in the box. Is there a reversal/deny to the arm trap or something I don't know about? I've only seen this a few times but it seemed that the few who did it knew a trick I don't.
              I have noticed the arm trapglitch as well, i think its a glitch.
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              • Solid_Altair
                EA Game Changer
                • Apr 2016
                • 2043

                #8
                Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

                Great find, OP. I'm relaying it to the devs, now. I hope they can fix it. Disallowing left stick inputs after the first one, for the defeder, should do the trick.

                As for the armtrap, do you mean when the fighter on top transitions befor you can complete the sweep? If so, it's not a glitch at all. It's an intended mechanic.

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                • Bigg Cee
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 4676

                  #9
                  Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

                  Hmmmmm...

                  Now I will be online looking for this 24/7 when I try a sub.

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                  • JRed529
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 319

                    #10
                    Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

                    I need to test this. Seems like a pretty big oversight IMO.
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                    • segap
                      Rookie
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 115

                      #11
                      Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

                      Originally posted by JRed529
                      I need to test this. Seems like a pretty big oversight IMO.
                      already tested it , it works ridiculously good

                      Although first time i did it I kinda forgot about my actual gate so i kinda forfeited the first one , but after that stumble ... all good ... too good

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                      • RuggedRuffRaw
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 147

                        #12
                        Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

                        Originally posted by segap
                        sorry yeah , complete brain fart there
                        Yeah definitely not fair but I'm guessing this will be become very common now
                        So much for my lovely kimura from side control
                        Wait... you were the guy, who submitted me with a player having ZERO fitness . I added you last week to my PSN friends list, and you owe me a rematch
                        And try the inverted kimura, if you got one. It has only three gates, too.

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                        • RuggedRuffRaw
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 147

                          #13
                          Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

                          Originally posted by JRed529
                          I need to test this. Seems like a pretty big oversight IMO.
                          I tested it already, but feel free to confirm. At first its kinda confusing with the left stick, but if you get used to it, everything is alright.
                          There is no disadvantage for the defending player doing whatever he wants with the left stick.

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                          • segap
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 115

                            #14
                            Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

                            Originally posted by RuggedRuffRaw
                            Wait... you were the guy, who submitted me with a player having ZERO fitness . I added you last week to my PSN friends list, and you owe me a rematch
                            And try the inverted kimura, if you got one. It has only three gates, too.
                            hah yeah might have been me

                            today i challenged myself to only submit people using the rolling kneebar and not using a single strike
                            Was fun , managed to get 13-0 but then went 2-2 cause I think people were wise to my game


                            Anyway rematch whenever you want it

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                            • RuggedRuffRaw
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2016
                              • 147

                              #15
                              Re: Submission Chains broken against other players

                              Originally posted by segap
                              hah yeah might have been me

                              today i challenged myself to only submit people using the rolling kneebar and not using a single strike
                              Was fun , managed to get 13-0 but then went 2-2 cause I think people were wise to my game


                              Anyway rematch whenever you want it
                              Rolling kneebar? Is this a reversal? I still don't get how to do a "Judo Throw Reversal",
                              a "Submission Reversal", or double leg reversal. I mean judo throw is L2 and away from opponent if attemting a td, but the others?

                              I wanna train a bit more before taking my rematch. Wanna be prepared xD

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