Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

[Dwaresacksqb]

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His resume is more than long enough. He's been there for 4 games and now 5 with 17 coming. And keep in mind that he was part of the transition from last gen to current.

I also realize he's not a programmer, he doesn't animate, he doesn't code, so his impact has plenty of limits. That's why I'm saying I'm not all that swayed by what the public figures say. It's not even personal, I just realize there is more going on under the hood than what can be talked about on Twitter.

I was really referring to his resume of speaking publicly on issues that need to be addressed and making those statements translate into a feature of Madden we can hang our hat on. Everything else you stated is accurate. Just hoping that Rex, with the good PR hes accumulated, could use that to further influence the games development.

[fistofrage]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

IF FG's and XP are still automatic, I won't even give this game a second look. If they make that more dynamic then I'll take some interest and see if some of the other areas are fixed. I also want to see just a fumble slider that is not linked to overall running back ability.

[roadman]

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Nah man. Just nah. We're talking basic fundamental football. That's not a "high expectation" that's a minimum expectation.

People wanted the WR/DB stuff, they didn't want warping, sliding, bending, and all the other junk that came with it.

People wanted better line interactions, but they didn't want blockers completely ignoring obvious assignments right in front of them. This isn't a matter of gamers expectations, it's a matter of the game not meeting minimum standards. Besides, even if gamers had no expectations, what does that have to do with blockers who consistently fail to make basic blocking assignments, and WR/DB skating into position just to finish a pre-determined animation sequence? Wouldn't that still be a deficiency regardless of expectation? I would think so.

I just don't understand how speaking in facts is something that upsets people. If things worked properly and without all the shenanigans, the complaints wouldn't be there for said shenanigans. It's not like the visual evidence is made-up. It's being captured from the actual game.

Where are you seeing failed blocking assignments on May 10th with the sliders I am using? I played a game last night and replayed 50% of the plays. Not one failed blocking assignment that I noticed.

Yeah, the WR/DB animations you are correct, but not the all of the blocking assignments are missed.

[Gridiron]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

I was really referring to his resume of speaking publicly on issues that need to be addressed and making those statements translate into a feature of Madden we can hang our hat on. Everything else you stated is accurate. Just hoping that Rex, with the good PR hes accumulated, could use that to further influence the games development.

TBH, the Twitters people should be hitting up are of the Lead Animator and the Lead Programmer. You want the source of most of our problems, start there. Not sure they would even take what we say seriously, and I remember years ago the the Lead Animator showed up here and exploded on the "community" once, even though the people were right then, the animations were bad, and they still aren't good now. Still, at least you'd be talking to the people responsible for the animation issues and the AI issues directly. Guys who actually physically impact the game hands-on.

[Gridiron]

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Where are you seeing failed blocking assignments on May 10th with the sliders I am using? I played a game last night and replayed 50% of the plays. Not one failed blocking assignment that I noticed.

Yeah, the WR/DB animations you are correct, but not the all of the blocking assignments are missed.

How can I get your sliders?

[Dwaresacksqb]

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Where are you seeing failed blocking assignments on May 10th with the sliders I am using? I played a game last night and replayed 50% of the plays. Not one failed blocking assignment that I noticed.

Yeah, the other points you have, but not the all of the blocking assignments are missed.

There are failed blocking assignments in real life too. Just ask Tony Romo lol. We shouldn't have perfect line play in Madden 17. The amount of failed assignments I see with charters all madden sliders are pretty close to what I see in real life. That was never my issue with the line play. It's deeper than that. I just wanted to touch on what you're speaking about.

Edit: if I throw in a rookie lineman. And he has low awareness. I would be pretty upset if I didn't see some missed assignments once in a while. I actually think Madden 17 could do more to differentiate the great lineman in the league with good O line coaches with the poor O lineman and poor coaching.

[Junior Moe]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

The @EAMaddenNFL Twitter has been tweeting out all the different official game covers, along with a bunch of photoshopped M17 game covers, since the start of yesterday. The statement "Madden NFL 99 introduced Franchise mode" is also factually correct for this series.

Not saying they didn't touch CFM, but I also don't see this as confirmation of or even hinting towards anything. There's nothing to interpret when you put the tweet in context.

I saw the others. I know the context. But this is the first screenshot that mentions an actual mode of play in the blurb. It may be coincidence because they are going in order it seems, IDK. But I took that to mean something. I am entitled to interpret it that way for what it's worth. I'm not flying off the handle making proclamations about features or anything. It's just my observation. That's all, man.

[Gridiron]

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There are failed blocking assignments in real life too.

Yeeeeeah, but, there is a difference in the way assignments get blown in real life that differs from Madden. For instance, can you match any of these videos with something from real life?:

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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/pkccTOs8tlE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[SageInfinite]

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Yeah it's definitely how things happen in Madden. Just a lack of animations and AI for alot of football situations. Failures and miscommunications happen all the time in football. I'd just like to see those play out realistically.

[SolidSquid]

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Yeeeeeah, but, there is a difference in the way assignments get blown in real life that differs from Madden. For instance, can you match any of these videos with something from real life?:

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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/pkccTOs8tlE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

First one is a perfect example of atrocious blocking. A guard a tackle and a RB all do literally nothing as the dline man goes untouched to the qb.

The second clip I have zero issue with. One of the best defensive linemen in the game splits a double team and gets a sack, that's football.

[SageInfinite]

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First one is a perfect example of atrocious blocking. A guard a tackle and a RB all do literally nothing as the dline man goes untouched to the qb.

The second clip I have zero issue with. One of the best defensive linemen in the game splits a double team and gets a sack, that's football.

In the second clip I'd like to see number 70 react more realistically like 76 did.

[Dwaresacksqb]

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Yeeeeeah, but, there is a difference in the way assignments get blown in real life that differs from Madden. For instance, can you match any of these videos with something from real life?:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tNqdK2q4SC0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/pkccTOs8tlE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Second one looks fine to me but looks ugly because of other issues. First one a guy playing on the line dropped back into coverage and confused the tackle. The guard couldn't get over in time. They look like issues though that are more problematic than blocking assignments being poor.

Edit: my edit corrected me saying the first clip showed the guard and center missing their man instead of tackle and guard.

[SolidSquid]

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In the second clip I'd like to see number 70 react more realistically like 76 did.

Fair enough, like turning back and going after the guy instead of letting him run free? I agree it would be more realistic but I have no problem with what the game is attempting to simulate. It's a double team that is initially successful but Mo fights it off, 70 turning back to chase would def look better but it's a respectable action and outcome in the grand scheme of things.

[Dwaresacksqb]

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If some of you guys go back to page 8 and read my two comments on the line issue, you will see its more of an issue with the core mechanic of line play. It's not really an A.I. issue here. I even discussed lineman on the line do not chase after their block because in the game they physically can not. That results in the ugliness of those two youtube clips provided.

[ODogg]

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Who is goign to be the cover guy do you all think? I hope its not Ezekiel Elliot and ruin his career before it starts..