Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

[Gridiron]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

First one is a perfect example of atrocious blocking. A guard a tackle and a RB all do literally nothing as the dline man goes untouched to the qb.

The second clip I have zero issue with. One of the best defensive linemen in the game splits a double team and gets a sack, that's football.

No way.

He had no advantage there. #76 already took his body outside, you can see the defenders body turned in that direction. If he could've broken back to #76's inside shoulder and it was a 1-on-1, then yeah it would've been believable, but it became fiction when #70 added on and yet somehow lost his position entirely when the defender used one free arm? Not believable at all. You're not going to throw a 300+ pound man with only half your body leverage with just one free arm. Even Reggie White couldn't have pulled that one off. Maybe The Incredible Hulk, maybe.

And to make it worse, the lineman then warps over to another defender that was already handled.

I don't see anything sim about that play.

[Dwaresacksqb]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

No way.

He had no advantage there. #76 already took his body outside, you can see the defenders body turned in that direction. If he could've broken back to #76's inside shoulder and it was a 1-on-1, then yeah it would've been believable, but it became fiction when #70 added on and yet somehow lost his position entirely when the defender used one free arm? Not believable at all. You're not going to throw a 300+ pound man with only half your body leverage with just one free arm. Even Reggie White couldn't have pulled that one off. Maybe The Incredible Hulk, maybe.

And to make it worse, the lineman then warps over to another defender that was already handled.

I don't see anything sim about that play.

It's really not a problem with A.I. read my comments on page 8. The game does not allow that guard to do anything else after the blocking was split and defender by him. If you didn't like how it looked when the D lineman split the double team, then that is an issue with animations. The guards shoulder was turned when the defender made a move inside the two lineman. Madden 16 does not allow anything else to happen other than go help the center with his guy.

[Gridiron]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

It's really not a problem with A.I. read my comments on page 8. The game does not allow that guard to do anything else after the blocking was split and defender by him. If you didn't like how it looked when the D lineman split the double team, then that is an issue with animations. The guards shoulder was turned when the defender made a move inside the two lineman. Madden 16 does not allow anything else to happen other than go help the center with his guy.

I'm not sure I follow, because AFAIK, AI is what tells the animated model what to do. Without it, how would the model choose where to go or what to do?

Just sounds like a shortcoming of both things. Not having animations to address situations, and AI issues having players do things they shouldn't do.

[ODogg]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

Oh I'm sorry, I thought I stepped into the thread talking about Madden 17 and the cover athlete, not an analysis of Madden 16s offensive line blocking.

#ridiculous

[SolidSquid]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

No way.

He had no advantage there. #76 already took his body outside, you can see the defenders body turned in that direction. If he could've broken back to #76's inside shoulder and it was a 1-on-1, then yeah it would've been believable, but it became fiction when #70 added on and yet somehow lost his position entirely when the defender used one free arm? Not believable at all. You're not going to throw a 300+ pound man with only half your body leverage with just one free arm. Even Reggie White couldn't have pulled that one off. Maybe The Incredible Hulk, maybe.

And to make it worse, the lineman then warps over to another defender that was already handled.

I don't see anything sim about that play.

Well there's no weight detection in the game and I don't think there will ever be so this is the best we are gonna get.

[Gridiron]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

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Well there's no weight detection in the game and I don't think there will ever be so this is the best we are gonna get.

True.

[SolidSquid]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

I'm not sure I follow, because AFAIK, AI is what tells the animated model what to do. Without it, how would the model choose where to go or what to do?

Just sounds like a shortcoming of both things. Not having animations to address situations, and AI issues having players do things they shouldn't do.

Go back and read his post on page 8, it very informative and tells you why we see what we see. Every olineman has a "radius" in game that determines where they are "allowed" to move. It was EAs way of creating a resemblence of a pocket and its part of the reason we have all these issues now.

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

I'm not sure I follow, because AFAIK, AI is what tells the animated model what to do. Without it, how would the model choose where to go or what to do?

Just sounds like a shortcoming of both things. Not having animations to address situations, and AI issues having players do things they shouldn't do.

Which leads exactly back to my post, lol.

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

Oh I'm sorry, I thought I stepped into the thread talking about Madden 17 and the cover athlete, not an analysis of Madden 16s offensive line blocking.

#ridiculous

[Dwaresacksqb]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

I'm not sure I follow, because AFAIK, AI is what tells the animated model what to do. Without it, how would the model choose where to go or what to do?

Just sounds like a shortcoming of both things. Not having animations to address situations, and AI issues having players do things they shouldn't do.

It's a core mechanic though. If the lineman aren't physically allowed to do something. That's not a A.I. issue. If a Receiver wasn't allowed to do a toe drag along the sidelines to make a catch, would you call the A.I. dumb? No, because it was never built into the game. Now if you see a toe drag once in every 10 games or so and you are unhappy with the amount you are seeing, that would be an A.I. issue. That's how I see it anyway.

[Gridiron]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

It's a core mechanic though. If the lineman aren't physically a looked to do something. That's not a A.I. issue. If a Receiver wasn't allowed to do a toe drag along the sidelines to make a catch, would you call the A.I. dumb? No, because it was never built into the game. Now if you see a toe drag once in every 10 games or so and you are unhappy with the amount you are seeing, that would be an A.I. issue. That's how I see it anyway.

I get what you're saying. I'm just saying, that probably wasn't a good way to develop it. It's like, yeah, you build a house but it's on quicksand.

[SolidSquid]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

I get what you're saying. I'm just saying, that probably wasn't a good way to develop it. It's like, yeah, you build a house but it's on quicksand.

And that's exactly where we are in reguard to a lot of things in madden. The game was built on broken foundation and there's no way to fix it besides tearing it down and starting from scratch but there's too much risk involved to actually do it

[ODogg]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

And that's exactly where we are in reguard to a lot of things in madden. The game was built on broken foundation and there's no way to fix it besides tearing it down and starting from scratch but there's too much risk involved to actually do it

You guys are right, Madden is broken and can never be fixed. You should go check out other forums now. I'd recommend the Other non-sports game forum :P

[Dwaresacksqb]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

Anyway, a little more back on topic. I guess I'll be keeping my eyes peeled during the trailer for any improvements in the line play. Hopefully we see an o'lineman turn completely around to give chase to the man who got through.

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

I'm just glad we don't have to go through that long and drawn out cover vote. Also glad that we'll be getting a trailer with the reveal.

I hope it's more of a sizzle real than a teaser trailer just showing off the cover boy. Atleast giving us a hint to what the gameplay focus could be this year. We'll see though. It'd be nice to get the attention all over the field instead of just one specific feature.