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[l3ulvl]

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Even more impressive is that he signed in the middle of his start.

I wonder how well he penned the loop on his g considering his elbow angle

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Ouch, Royals' prospect Raul Mondesi popped for PEDs. Apparently due to something in a cold medicine he took so the suspension was reduced from 80 games to 50. This is one of the more high profile minor leaguers I can remember. Deserved or not, these 50 games are going to hurt his development time.

[redsox4evur]

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Ouch, Royals' prospect Raul Mondesi popped for PEDs. Apparently due to something in a cold medicine he took so the suspension was reduced from 80 games to 50. This is one of the more high profile minor leaguers I can remember. Deserved or not, these 50 games are going to hurt his development time.

He is number 33 on MLB's list and 70 something on Law's list.

[Blzer]

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Ouch, Royals' prospect Raul Mondesi popped for PEDs. Apparently due to something in a cold medicine he took so the suspension was reduced from 80 games to 50. This is one of the more high profile minor leaguers I can remember. Deserved or not, these 50 games are going to hurt his development time.

See, it's stories like this that make me believe sometimes people don't actually know that the things they take have illegal substances in it. Never once have I read the ingredients of a medicine bottle except to make sure it didn't contain peanuts (which they never will), and I'm sure I've taken a lot of things on there, over the counter or otherwise, that could have gotten me suspended. Furthermore, if I have a nutritionist or a trainer, yes... I trust what they ask me to put in my body (given some research, but not on the level of comparing it to a list).

I mean, has anyone here ever actually seen the list of banned substances? Go ahead and have a look, it's covered in a few sections...

Spoiler

DRUGS OF ABUSE
1. Natural Cannabinoids (e.g., THC, Hashish and Marijuana)
2. Synthetic THC and Cannabimimetics (e.g., K2 and Spice)
3. Cocaine
4. LSD
5. Opiates (e.g., Oxycodone, Heroin, Codeine, and Morphine)
6. MDMA (Ecstasy)
7. GHB
8. Phencyclidine (PCP)

PERFORMANCE ENHANCING SUBSTANCES
1. Androstadienedione
2. Androstanediol
3. Androstanedione
4. Androstatrienedione (ATD)
5. Androstenediol
6. Androstenedione
7. Androst-2-en-17-one (2-Androstenone, Delta-2)
8. Androstenetrione (6-OXO)
9. Bolandiol
10. Bolasterone
11. Boldenone
12. Boldione
13. Calusterone
14. Clenbuterol
15. Clostebol
16. Danazol
17. Dehydrochloromethyltestosterone
18. Desoxy-methyltestosterone
19. Δ1-dihydrotestosterone
20. 4-dihydrotestosterone
21. Drostanolone
22. Epi-dihydrotestosterone
23. Epitestosterone
24. Ethylestrenol
25. Fluoxymesterone
26. Formebolone
27. Furazabol
28. 13a-ethyl-17a-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one
29. Gestrinone
30. 4-hydroxytestosterone
31. 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone
32. Mestanolone
33. Mesterolone
34. Methandienone
35. Methandriol
36. Methasterone (Superdrol)
37. Methenolone
38. Methyldienolone
39. Methylnortestosterone
40. Methylstenbolone (Ultradrol, M-Sten)
41. Methyltestosterone
42. Methyltrienolone (Metribolone)
43. Mibolerone
44. 17a-methyl-Δ1-dihydrotestosterone
45. Nandrolone
46. Norandrostenediol
47. Norandrostenedione
48. Norbolethone
49. Norclostebol
50. Norethandrolone
51. Oxabolone
52. Oxandrolone
53. Oxymesterone
54. Oxymetholone
55. Prostanozol
56. Quinbolone
57. Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMs)
58. Stanozolol
59. Stenbolone
60. Testosterone
61. Tetrahydrogestrinone
62. Tibolone
63. Trenbolone
64. Zeranol
65. Zilpaterol
66. Any salt, ester or ether of a drug or substance listed above
67. Human Growth Hormone (hGH), Secretagogues and Peptides,
including Alexamorelin, CJC-1295, Growth Hormone
Releasing Hormone (GHRH), Growth Hormone Releasing
Peptides (GHRP), Hexarelin, Ibutamoren (MK-0677),
Ipamorelin, Myostatin Inhibitors, Pralmorelin, Sermorelin,
Tesamorelin, Thymosin Beta 4 (TB-500), and Triptorelin
68. Insulin-like Growth Factor (IGF-1), including all
isomers of IGF-1 sometimes referred to as Mechano
Growth Factors
69. Chorionic Gonadotrophin (hCG) and Luteinizing
Hormone (LH)
70. Aromatase Inhibitors, including Anastrozole, Letrozole,
Aminoglutethimide, Exemestane, Formestane,
and Testolactone
71. Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators, including
Raloxifen, Tamoxifen, and Toremifen
72. Other Anti-estrogens, including Clomiphene, Cyclofenil,
and Fulvestrant
73. Metabolic Modulators, including Peroxisome Proliferator
Activated Receptor δ (PPARδ) agonists, including
GW 1516, GW 0742, and AICAR
74. Erythropoiesis-Stimulating Agents, including
Erythropoietin (EPO)

STIMULANTS
1. Adrafinil
2. Amfepramone (Diethylpropion)
3. Amiphenazole
4. Amphetamine
5. Amphetaminil
6. Armodafinil
7. Benfluorex
8. Benzphetamine
9. Benzylpiperazine
10. Bromantan
11. Carphedon
12. Cathine (Norpseudoephedrine)
13. Clobenzorex
14. Cropropamide
15. Crotetamide
16. Dimethylamphetamine
17. Ephedrine
18. Etamivan
19. Ethylamphetamine
20. Etilefrine
21. Famprofazone
22. Fenbutrazate
23. Fencamfamine
24. Fenethylline
25. Fenfluramine
26. Fenproporex
27. Furfenorex
28. Heptaminol
29. Isometheptene
30. Meclofenoxate
31. Mefenorex
32. Mephentermine
33. Mesocarb
34. Methamphetamine (Methylamphetamine)
35. Methylenedioxyamphetamine
36. Methylephedrine
37. Methylhexaneamine (Dimethylamylamine, DMAA)
38. Methylphenidate
39. Modafinil
40. N,alpha-Diethylphenylethylamine (N,a-DEPEA)
41. N-ethyl-1-phenyl-2-butanamine
42. Nikethamide
43. Norfenefrine
44. Norfenfluramine
45. Octopamine
46. Oxilofrine (Methylsynephrine)
47. Pemoline
48. Pentetrazol
49. Phentermine
50. Phenpromethamine
51. Prenylamine
52. Prolintane
53. Phendimetrazine (Phenmetrazine)
54. Propylhexedrine
55. Sibutramine
56. Tuaminoheptane

Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA)

Have fun!

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: MLB Off-Topic

I saw it and immediately LOLed. A-Rod's first excuse in 09 was an over the counter drug in the DR that he "didn't know had an illegal substance in it". Call me cynical, but I'd put my money on he's lying. I don't disagree that it's difficult to check the list, but if your job is your body, then you have to do it or have someone else do it. It's no different than an IT guy installing a program that puts a virus on your computer, he didn't create it but it was his job to make sure it didn't happen in the first place. Either guilty by default or guilty by negligence.

[Blzer]

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I saw it and immediately LOLed. A-Rod's first excuse in 09 was an over the counter drug in the DR that he "didn't know had an illegal substance in it". Call me cynical, but I'd put my money on he's lying. I don't disagree that it's difficult to check the list, but if your job is your body, then you have to do it or have someone else do it. It's no different than an IT guy installing a program that puts a virus on your computer, he didn't create it but it was his job to make sure it didn't happen in the first place. Either guilty by default or guilty by negligence.

I'm not saying I believe all of them, but I believe Raul Mondesi (if that's all he's put in his body and that substance pops up in the medicine). Guillermo Mota was under the same issue, though his was a second offense.

[fugazi]

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The ingredients in a medicine or drug could easily be cross referenced with this list...

...and the MLB / MLBPA should create and maintain a comprehensive list of OTC products that will lead to a failed test.

Why hasn't this been done, I wonder...

[DieHardYankee26]

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Even better, the suspension was reduced because he proved that the medicine had the substance in it, not that he took the medicine. So theoretically he could've been taking it, found a medicine with it in there (or had one all along), and then when he got popped just give them the bottle. Also this is partially the idea behind the gummies at Biogenesis, they were supposed to be untraceable and when caught, Melky just made up a medicine. He could be innocent, but even if he is, putting yourself in this position in this year earns the suspension regardless, gotta be much smarter. And if he isn't innocent, then he's very smart in acting stupid and playing the fool.

[Blzer]

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The ingredients in a medicine or drug could easily be cross referenced with this list...

I don't know. I mean yes, it is easy to cross-reference, and I get what DHYF was saying about how as a professional athlete you should be reading these things, but the point I was making about the peanuts thing is as much as I scrutinize what I have to look for that could end my life if consumed, I sometimes won't go as far as to read certain things as well.

I mean, food at a restaurant can have these things, man. I don't suppose he'll personally ask for the manager to see if his steak was prepared first by injecting the steer with Furfenorex.

...and the MLB / MLBPA should create and maintain a comprehensive list of OTC products that will lead to a failed test.

Why hasn't this been done, I wonder...

I agree with this.

Even better, the suspension was reduced because he proved that the medicine had the substance in it, not that he took the medicine. So theoretically he could've been taking it, found a medicine with it in there (or had one all along), and then when he got popped just give them the bottle. Also this is partially the idea behind the gummies at Biogenesis, they were supposed to be untraceable and when caught, Melky just made up a medicine. He could be innocent, but even if he is, putting yourself in this position in this year earns the suspension regardless, gotta be much smarter. And if he isn't innocent, then he's very smart in acting stupid and playing the fool.

I'm not saying he shouldn't have been suspended. I just think this can happen accidentally, too.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I think agents and minor league organizations should drill the PED list into players early on--at least emphasize the need to cross-reference products with it. There should be some sort of orientation if there isn't already. This won't eliminate the issue, but it might cut down on some of the ignorance. And, let's be honest, since there is a loss of pay tied to suspensions, shouldn't agents really be taking the lead on this? I bet some already do (say what you will about him, but imagine Scott Boras not educating his clients about this stuff).

[daflyboys]

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I see that Brycey wanted to bring more fun into the game. Maybe he just should have told the ump that that was the only reason he came back onto the field.

Rotoworld:

Bryce Harper has been suspended one game after he returned to the field following his ejection on Monday.

Harper was booted from Monday's game against the Tigers after arguing a called third strike on Danny Espinosa from the dugout. That will happen sometimes. Had the matter ended there, he probably wouldn't have been suspended. The slugger returned to the field and was caught yelling profanities at home plate umpire Brian Knight after Clint Robinson hit a walk-off home run, though, which led to the suspension. Players are not allowed to come back onto the field after an ejection. Harper is appealing and will play until that appeal is heard. In addition to the one-game suspension, Harper has also been fined an undisclosed amount.

[Blzer]

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He should take a crash course with Bobby Valentine and learn how to do it right.

[dickey1331]

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My friends birth control makes her pop positive on the drug tests we do in the military so it's possible. There was a brand of yogurt that was doing the same thing.

[Money99]

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I may have heard this wrong, but on XM Inside Pitch, they were saying that Mondesi JR went as far as contacting MLB to ask if the cold medicine he purchased was legal.
He was told 'yes' so off he went - only to get popped by ingredients found in the same cold medicine approved by the MLB contact.

Not sure if that's confirmed though.

Re: Strasberg, heard that according to sabremetrics, he is in the top 5 pitchers over the past 5 years.
I was shocked to hear that as it seems everyone and their dog has been saying he hasn't lived up to the hype.

[AC]

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He's 2nd best on a per-9 basis (xFIP) but with his injuries he's more like top 15 on an overall value basis (WAR).