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  • JimmyT85
    Rookie
    • Nov 2009
    • 221

    #61
    Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

    Originally posted by undrafted
    Here are 5 things I took from the trailer:

    - interspersing real-time footage in in-game footage may save you from producing ultra high quality models of the players (that never show up in the final version of the game anyway), but does not make your presentation feel any less suspect

    - the continuous slow-motion / fast forward may be an effective technique to highlight the player special moves, but does not make the trailer particularly easy on the eyes (I would not want to watch it again)

    - as a result of the above mentioned technique, the trailer does not make a good job of portraying the fluidity/synchronicity of American Football, but instead feels like a discrete sequence of individual actions I have already seen countless times: trick-play / spin / hurdle / (signature) touch down celebration... and it feels frustrating because this does not say anything new to me

    - the exclusive focus on a single player (no matter if he is the one on the cover of the game - WE GOT IT, OK ? ) seems to disregard (or even worse disprove) one of this year's edition main features, which suggests different 'special' moves depending on each player features (I would have expected a different player doing each of the special moves and not all of them made by a single player)

    - all-in all, this trailer looked to me more like one of those announcements of a new character made availabe in a pre-existing videogame with a DLC
    I hear you.

    But I was just listening to an interview with Rex, and he pointed out this new trailer is to try and drag in casuals and new players. It's not made for us people who already play/purchase Madden.

    He said this is what marketing want, and not necessarily what himself or the Madden team wants. I guess it's just one of those things I'm afraid!
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    • DeuceDouglas
      Madden Dev Team
      • Apr 2010
      • 4297

      #62
      Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

      Originally posted by NateDogPack12
      Quite honestly that's the only conversation worth having in lieu of the new footage that is not completely speculative. We can opine about the pattern recognition and gap assignments but until we see those things in action, any in-depth analysis is pointless. On the other hand, people could actually see the arm sleeves and equipment. People have been clamoring for new equipment for years.

      I for one was not surprised at the course the conversation took. The community has a right to analyze any aspect of the trailer.
      Well said. Equipment really is the only thing we can come to any kind of conclusion on so far. So people can say "all these gameplay improvements and we're talking about sleeves and socks" like Allen Iverson but like you said it is honestly the only conversation worth having outside of discussing the new fake field goal or what the gameplay features might mean.

      Everything gameplay wise sounds great in theory which is always the case. But we have no clue what gap assignments look like or how line play has been changed to compensate for those changes. We know absolutely nothing about the new defensive AI or how it looks or works in an actual gameplay environment. Special teams changes sound great but we don't know how the new kick meter works or if punts have been changed. All we know is there is at least one new fake FG play. So we can sit here and jump to conclusions about what's behind door number one when we have no clue yet or we can talk about what we actually see in the 15-20 seconds of gameplay we saw.

      I highly doubt there are many people here that prioritize new gloves, cleats, or sleeves over gap assignments, enhanced AI, or special teams improvements. I know I don't, but with equipment people were told it would be "on point" and I think they missed a big opportunity to cash in on that. The cleats look great and the gloves look awesome too although I'd like to see more styles so hopefully we'll see that moving. New helmets and facemasks we've yet to see to the full extent so it's hard to go in on that. I'm happy they finally touched equipment as it was much needed but I hope it continues to get better and doesn't go dormant again because there's still a lot of room for improvement in that area.

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      • dk6663
        Rookie
        • Jul 2002
        • 224

        #63
        Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer

        Originally posted by XtremeDunkz
        Madden has a literally impossible job with some people lol. No wonder they stopped posting here.
        I LOVE THIS GAME, FLAWS AND ALL !!!!!

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        • Gman 18
          MVP
          • Jul 2012
          • 2902

          #64
          Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

          That was quite possibly the most uninspiring trailer i've seen. What happened to years passed of showing the core elements of football in trailers? Now all they show is gimmicks---just goes to show you where the overall direction and focus of this game has gone towards---gimmicks. Why not make a trailer of the league's most popular TE receiving the flip from the holder on a fake-field goal attempt with a gimmicky rap song in the background? The likelihood of that happening in real life is slim to none. I mean you really can't even see the holder flipping the ball to Gronkowski on the play, all you really see is him trucking through a defender. The mechanics of the designed play aren't shown. Rather, all you see is Gronkowski running with the ball and running over a Jets defender.

          And not to be too nitpicky, but don't even get me started on that awful song playing in the background. A first-look trailer is supposed to get you excited for what's to come next in the revealing of the game. Nothing in that trailer made me want to see what else is in store for the game. We want a simulation football game, not fantasy land. With madden in some cases it seems all logic is thrown out the window just to showcase the most popular players in the league mimicing what they do in real life, although to a MUCH higher extent. Just look at the emphasis they put on one handed catches after putting Odell Beckham Jr on the cover.

          I know it may seem like im looking way too far into this, but we are seeing now what we see every year and it's looking like more of the same from EA. At the end of the day, hopefully that was just marketing-team bs and not a reflection of what's to be in the game.

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          • Cowboy008
            MVP
            • Mar 2012
            • 4574

            #65
            Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

            Originally posted by Gman 18
            That was quite possibly the most uninspiring trailer i've seen. What happened to years passed of showing the core elements of football in trailers? Now all they show is gimmicks---just goes to show you where the overall direction and focus of this game has gone towards---gimmicks. Nothing in that trailer made me want to see what else is in store for the game.

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            You should listen to this interview

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            • TheShizNo1
              Asst 2 the Comm Manager
              • Mar 2007
              • 26341

              #66
              Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

              Originally posted by Gman 18
              That was quite possibly the most uninspiring trailer i've seen. What happened to years passed of showing the core elements of football in trailers? Now all they show is gimmicks---just goes to show you where the overall direction and focus of this game has gone towards---gimmicks. Why not make a trailer of the league's most popular TE receiving the flip from the holder on a fake-field goal attempt with a gimmicky rap song in the background? The likelihood of that happening in real life is slim to none. I mean you really can't even see the holder flipping the ball to Gronkowski on the play, all you really see is him trucking through a defender. The mechanics of the designed play aren't shown. Rather, all you see is Gronkowski running with the ball and running over a Jets defender.

              And not to be too nitpicky, but don't even get me started on that awful song playing in the background. A first-look trailer is supposed to get you excited for what's to come next in the revealing of the game. Nothing in that trailer made me want to see what else is in store for the game. We want a simulation football game, not fantasy land. With madden in some cases it seems all logic is thrown out the window just to showcase the most popular players in the league mimicing what they do in real life, although to a MUCH higher extent. Just look at the emphasis they put on one handed catches after putting Odell Beckham Jr on the cover.

              I know it may seem like im looking way too far into this, but we are seeing now what we see every year and it's looking like more of the same from EA. At the end of the day, hopefully that was just marketing-team bs and not a reflection of what's to be in the game.

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              I don't know any opening trailer that reveals the core gameplay/elements of the game being shown. Maybe they wanted to save the bigger stuff for when they release information in increments with explanations.

              As far as the "we want simulation football", you don't speak for the majority.
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              • Gosens6
                All Star
                • Oct 2007
                • 6102

                #67
                Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

                This was a hype trailer, the first one they've released at all so far and it honestly was just to reveal the cover athlete.

                Be patient, guys. We'll get more trailers and more videos. I'm waiting for nothing but what franchise improvements they've made this year. Seems like they're taking a BIG step.

                Shout out to Roadman and JP for their continued faith on Rex and his team that they really are working on delivering us an amazing next Gen franchise mode

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                • DeuceDouglas
                  Madden Dev Team
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 4297

                  #68
                  Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

                  Originally posted by Gman 18
                  That was quite possibly the most uninspiring trailer i've seen. What happened to years passed of showing the core elements of football in trailers? Now all they show is gimmicks---just goes to show you where the overall direction and focus of this game has gone towards---gimmicks. Why not make a trailer of the league's most popular TE receiving the flip from the holder on a fake-field goal attempt with a gimmicky rap song in the background? The likelihood of that happening in real life is slim to none. I mean you really can't even see the holder flipping the ball to Gronkowski on the play, all you really see is him trucking through a defender. The mechanics of the designed play aren't shown. Rather, all you see is Gronkowski running with the ball and running over a Jets defender.

                  And not to be too nitpicky, but don't even get me started on that awful song playing in the background. A first-look trailer is supposed to get you excited for what's to come next in the revealing of the game. Nothing in that trailer made me want to see what else is in store for the game. We want a simulation football game, not fantasy land. With madden in some cases it seems all logic is thrown out the window just to showcase the most popular players in the league mimicing what they do in real life, although to a MUCH higher extent. Just look at the emphasis they put on one handed catches after putting Odell Beckham Jr on the cover.

                  I know it may seem like im looking way too far into this, but we are seeing now what we see every year and it's looking like more of the same from EA. At the end of the day, hopefully that was just marketing-team bs and not a reflection of what's to be in the game.
                  It's a first look trailer, man. It's not supposed to be inspiring. It's essentially a teaser. Look at last year where the first look trailer was essentially 10 seconds of actual gameplay and it was just four catches. This stuff isn't aimed at anyone besides the dude sitting on the couch eating cheetos who sees Gronk breaking tackles and decides that looks like fun so he might buy.

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                  • Gosens6
                    All Star
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 6102

                    #69
                    Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

                    People around here clearly don't understand the meaning of teaser trailer just to reveal the cover athlete.

                    This is why I stay far away from the madden forums. It's been real guys, later.

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                    • Gridiron
                      Banned
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 418

                      #70
                      Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

                      Originally posted by Gosens6
                      People around here clearly don't understand the meaning of teaser trailer just to reveal the cover athlete.

                      This is why I stay far away from the madden forums. It's been real guys, later.

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                      The fatal flaw in that thinking is that if you look back to Madden 25, you'll see that all of their early reveal trailers were more significant, including one in June, even though the game wouldn't be released until November:



                      We're closer to Madden 17's release (3 months) than that trailer was to Madden 25's (6 months). Think about that for a second...

                      I'm not even upset about it, honestly, I wasn't expecting much. But it baffles me how far people will go to put the onus of things on the gamers instead of the people who make this stuff.

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                      • Gosens6
                        All Star
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 6102

                        #71
                        Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

                        Originally posted by Gridiron
                        The fatal flaw in that thinking is that if you look back to Madden 25, you'll see that all of their early reveal trailers were more significant, including one in June, even though the game wouldn't be released until November:



                        We're closer to Madden 17's release (3 months) than that trailer was to Madden 25's (6 months). Think about that for a second...

                        I'm not even upset about it, honestly, I wasn't expecting much. But it baffles me how far people will go to put the onus of things on the gamers instead of the people who make this stuff.
                        Madden 25 was also the first release on a next Gen system. Of course they're going to show much much more in that aspect.

                        I haven't even played madden in two years because I wasn't happy with the product. I checked out the free demo they were offering for 16 last week and I can definitely see they're going in the right direction.

                        But we're on madden 17, they don't need crazy amounts of reveal trailers at this point like they did for 25. This was a hype trailer for the cover athlete plain and simple. If people understood that and excersized a bit more patience and understanding, they'd be a lot less upset with this trailer.

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                        • Gridiron
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 418

                          #72
                          Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

                          Originally posted by Gosens6
                          Madden 25 was also the first release on a next Gen system. Of course they're going to show much much more in that aspect.
                          What's interesting about that though, is people back then felt like EA was hiding the game and not showing much. I'm sure you remember the Kotaku-ESPN fiasco. That was a mess.

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                          • Gosens6
                            All Star
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 6102

                            #73
                            Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

                            Originally posted by Gridiron
                            What's interesting about that though, is people back then felt like EA was hiding the game and not showing much. I'm sure you remember the Kotaku-ESPN fiasco. That was a mess.
                            Oh man I remember, that was a travesty. It also seemed to me that first reveal trailer was ALOT of CGI.

                            They're giving us real game footage with this teaser at least. There will be more to come. This was honestly just to reveal the cover athlete and people are looking for way much more out of it.

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                            • jpdavis82
                              All Star
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 8794

                              #74
                              Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

                              Originally posted by Gosens6
                              This was a hype trailer, the first one they've released at all so far and it honestly was just to reveal the cover athlete.

                              Be patient, guys. We'll get more trailers and more videos. I'm waiting for nothing but what franchise improvements they've made this year. Seems like they're taking a BIG step.

                              Shout out to Roadman and JP for their continued faith on Rex and his team that they really are working on delivering us an amazing next Gen franchise mode

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                              I am very confident in the future of franchise mode, like I said last year, and it's because I've seen/heard first hand what they are wanting to do. I think last year they were just trying to lay a foundation with the menus and mostly investing in resources for the future.

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                              • DaSmerg
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2010
                                • 155

                                #75
                                Re: Madden NFL 17 First Look Trailer and Five Things You Must Know About the Game

                                Originally posted by Gosens6
                                People around here clearly don't understand the meaning of teaser trailer just to reveal the cover athlete.

                                This is why I stay far away from the madden forums. It's been real guys, later.

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                                First news of the latest Madden gets lots of us "fans" going. It's exciting to me personally and I've checked what's what for years now.

                                That being said [and after continuous years of 'where's the realism/sim criticisms'] the newest Madden of them all is on one hand, touting to be "revolutionary" and "addressing the core three phases of football game play" while on the other hand featuring it's latest cover athlete in a not really spectacular looking gadget special teams play?

                                Clunky gadget special teams plays coming soon(TM)? That's our very first look at what's "new and/or improved" for this year's game?

                                Is that really being too critical?

                                Good for Gronk to get the cover. He seems a bit of a lunk head but damn he's a force in the game right now.

                                "What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death"
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