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  • howboutdat
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    • Nov 2012
    • 1908

    #106
    Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

    Originally posted by jpdavis82
    Rex and Equipment Guru called in tonight and Sim said the devs are listening to the show, call in guys.


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    So i want to touch on something about that show.

    Ive seen how things have been "tossed out there" by some GC in the past, and then later seen things come around in game a year or two later.Ive seen them drop "subtle" hints at things that EA may have in the pipeline, if you listen . They have even said in the past themselves, they do that , if your listening you can catch it.

    That said- last night on their show they were asking people to tell what they think should be bonuses for CFM for pre-order, or for dif packages, like you get with MUT. This really has me extremely worried about CFM's future. Paying more than 60$ for a game when all you are going to most likely touch is CFM, is a joke first off. Secondly, MUT is a totally different mode than CFM.You can't start giving some guys more access to stuff in CFM and others not. Thats just a horrible , horrible idea.If this is EA's way of trying to condition our minds into accepting the idea, they can kiss my 60$ goodbye for good the day that happens.F THAT!

    They try to say , "maybe" if we paid more they would invest more into CFM. But , last i checked we didnt pay for it last year and this year its their "new focus" . The fact is , they make MORE THAN ENOUGH money from MUT and from Madden Mobile ( which im not sure if people know but they make millions upon millions from that alone) that they can afford to put some of that profit into CFM and make it good. So trying to say we need to pay more to make cfm good, striaght up pisses me off . I refuse to ever do it, and i highly suggest those in the CFM Community listen to what is being said and stand up against it, because if you dont, they will think its ok and we accept that.If you do , your gonna end up paying for it in the future, im willing to bet ya money on that.

    Makes me sick to even hear such talk being tied into CFM.Made me even sicker to hear someone actually call into the show and tell things he would pay for more for. I refuse to buy into CFM, if our 60$ aint enough, stop making it.
    Yup, i said it !



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    • Dwaresacksqb
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      • Jun 2009
      • 696

      #107
      Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

      Originally posted by RexDEAFootball
      These are not just general improvements. Let's take zones, for example.



      "Finally Zone Coverage has been completely overhauled, with the addition of 8 new zone concepts never before seen in Madden. Defenders have more awareness of threats to each zone and can pattern match receivers, creating defensive counters to stop virtually every passing concept"

      Read this. Time to get excited gentlemen.
      http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2010/2/...ttern-matching
      Thanks Rex! It really does seem like you guys are doing your homework. I think Madden is in good hands and will continue to grow into the game we all want. Madden just might someday once again be known as the standard for all sports games. Keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to hearing what else you guys have in store for us.
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      • jpdavis82
        All Star
        • Sep 2005
        • 8794

        #108
        Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

        Originally posted by howboutdat
        So i want to touch on something about that show.



        Ive seen how things have been "tossed out there" by some GC in the past, and then later seen things come around in game a year or two later.Ive seen them drop "subtle" hints at things that EA may have in the pipeline, if you listen . They have even said in the past themselves, they do that , if your listening you can catch it.



        That said- last night on their show they were asking people to tell what they think should be bonuses for CFM for pre-order, or for dif packages, like you get with MUT. This really has me extremely worried about CFM's future. Paying more than 60$ for a game when all you are going to most likely touch is CFM, is a joke first off. Secondly, MUT is a totally different mode than CFM.You can't start giving some guys more access to stuff in CFM and others not. Thats just a horrible , horrible idea.If this is EA's way of trying to condition our minds into accepting the idea, they can kiss my 60$ goodbye for good the day that happens.F THAT!



        They try to say , "maybe" if we paid more they would invest more into CFM. But , last i checked we didnt pay for it last year and this year its their "new focus" . The fact is , they make MORE THAN ENOUGH money from MUT and from Madden Mobile ( which im not sure if people know but they make millions upon millions from that alone) that they can afford to put some of that profit into CFM and make it good. So trying to say we need to pay more to make cfm good, striaght up pisses me off . I refuse to ever do it, and i highly suggest those in the CFM Community listen to what is being said and stand up against it, because if you dont, they will think its ok and we accept that.If you do , your gonna end up paying for it in the future, im willing to bet ya money on that.



        Makes me sick to even hear such talk being tied into CFM.Made me even sicker to hear someone actually call into the show and tell things he would pay for more for. I refuse to buy into CFM, if our 60$ aint enough, stop making it.


        I wonder if that's what Madden 365 is about....

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        • howboutdat
          MVP
          • Nov 2012
          • 1908

          #109
          Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

          Originally posted by jpdavis82
          I wonder if that's what Madden 365 is about....
          if they want us paying more for CFM, i can promise i wont purchase another madden game ever.Wouldn't surprise me with grEedA but i wont go along with it.
          Yup, i said it !



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          • jpdavis82
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            • Sep 2005
            • 8794

            #110
            Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

            Originally posted by howboutdat
            if they want us paying more for CFM, i can promise i wont purchase another madden game ever.Wouldn't surprise me with grEedA but i wont go along with it.


            I don't know what it is, we will have to wait and see, hopefully not.

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            • Cowboy008
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              • Mar 2012
              • 4574

              #111
              Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

              If we have to pay more for CFM content then I'm out. There's no reason to pay for things in CFM. It should come with everything already and you shouldn't have to pay to get more content this isn't MUT.
              Last edited by Cowboy008; 05-13-2016, 08:05 AM.

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              • cthurt
                MVP
                • Oct 2009
                • 2525

                #112
                Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                Originally posted by jpdavis82
                Comparison shot of Gurley in 17 vs IRL I just made


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                Could this be a hint of signature animations being in the game, hmmmm tell me more EA.

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                • jb12780
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 10665

                  #113
                  Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                  EA isn't that stupid to make CFM stuff cost money. Look at the backlash that 2k got. Would be a huge heel turn for EA and the Madden series after last year.

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                  • howboutdat
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 1908

                    #114
                    Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                    Originally posted by jpdavis82
                    I don't know what it is, we will have to wait and see, hopefully not.
                    the fact they kept going back to that topic,eventhough the callers were not taking the bait, except one guy, and asking people to call in give stuff they are "willing to pay for" just really leads me to think thats where its heading in either madden 18 or 19. That just makes me sick. Paying for a "deluxe edition" for CFM is just a joke.Just them talking about it so much really has me worried about it .

                    Ive met alot of cool guys thru CFM and being a commish since madden 12.Bult some friendships thru it and those guys still in the league. I hate the idea id have to walk away from that because EA has to be so dang greedy. That just really ticks me off.They making plenty of money on madden as it is.
                    Yup, i said it !



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                    • SolidSquid
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                      • Aug 2014
                      • 3159

                      #115
                      Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                      Originally posted by jpdavis82
                      Comparison shot of Gurley in 17 vs IRL I just made


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                      First two things I noticed were the lack of a lip guard and that the colors on madden don't pop. The pose is spot on though

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                      • Hooe
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 21555

                        #116
                        Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                        Originally posted by RexDEAFootball
                        These are not just general improvements. Let's take zones, for example.



                        "Finally Zone Coverage has been completely overhauled, with the addition of 8 new zone concepts never before seen in Madden. Defenders have more awareness of threats to each zone and can pattern match receivers, creating defensive counters to stop virtually every passing concept"

                        Read this. Time to get excited gentlemen.
                        http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2010/2/...ttern-matching
                        I'm quoting Rex for emphasis because this is important.

                        The "drop to spot" zone coverage concept that's been in every football game since the dawn of time is, while not necessarily wrong, a naive implementation of zone defense. NFL teams and FBS level college teams don't play drop-to-spot zones really at all, they use pattern match zone defenses. An NFL linebacker in a Cover 3 match defense doesn't wait for receivers to enter his assigned region of the field in a stubborn hook zone assignment, rather he tracks multiple receivers and based on their route combinations works towards a specific receiver.

                        If Tiburon nails pattern matching in Madden 17, you can basically take everything you know about how zone defense operates in Madden 16 and any other football video game you've ever played and chuck it out the window. This is not a token "we improved defensive AI this year" change, this is a concept that fundamentally changes how one calls and strategizes pass defense in Madden. Assuming they get it right or even somewhere close, this is a real-life advanced football concept you must learn to succeed in Madden going forward.

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                        • howboutdat
                          MVP
                          • Nov 2012
                          • 1908

                          #117
                          Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                          Originally posted by Cowboy008
                          If we have to pay more for CFM content than I'm out. There's no reason to pay for things in CFM. It should come with everything already and you shouldn't have to pay to get more content this isn't MUT.
                          Agreed, at that point , if they did that, you wouldnt be able to even get but half a game for 60$ . Everything would start being a paid for mode.Screw that.
                          Yup, i said it !



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                          • Dwaresacksqb
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                            • Jun 2009
                            • 696

                            #118
                            Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                            Yes, I am interested in seeing exact quotes from the show. Or if someone could provide me a link to a video or audio of thd show, that would be great. It's one thing to ask for feedback on things like this and take a look down that Avenue to try and maximize profits. It's another thing to actually put things into motion to actually implement a money making tactic like that.

                            Nobody here wants that and I think the backlash would be to great for them to actually do it. Their ultimate job though is to make money and if they thought it was worth it to mention the idea to the public, fine. But no way do I see them doing it.

                            The only thing I could possibly see them doing is adding legends to the FA pool via pre orders and paid content. I don't like the idea but I would still buy Madden. Now, if they put features behind a pay wall, I'm out. Goodbye, cya later.
                            BoOm!

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                            • Dwaresacksqb
                              Pro
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 696

                              #119
                              Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                              Originally posted by howboutdat
                              Agreed, at that point , if they did that, you wouldnt be able to even get but half a game for 60$ . Everything would start being a paid for mode.Screw that.
                              If it were only legends they asked you to buy to use In CFM, would you still not purchase Madden?

                              I think at that point, it's only an option that in no way affects my game. It's not a pay to win scheme. And I wouldn't even use them, so Madden wouldn't even get my money. If someone else wants to purchase Legends to add to their FA pool, that's great, good for them.
                              BoOm!

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                              • howboutdat
                                MVP
                                • Nov 2012
                                • 1908

                                #120
                                Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                                Originally posted by Dwaresacksqb
                                Yes, I am interested in seeing exact quotes from the show. Or if someone could provide me a link to a video or audio of thd show, that would be great. It's one thing to ask for feedback on things like this and take a look down that Avenue to try and maximize profits. It's another thing to actually put things into motion to actually implement a money making tactic like that.

                                Nobody here wants that and I think the backlash would be to great for them to actually do it. Their ultimate job though is to make money and if they thought it was worth it to mention the idea to the public, fine. But no way do I see them doing it.

                                The only thing I could possibly see them doing is adding legends to the FA pool via pre orders and paid content. I don't like the idea but I would still buy Madden. Now, if they put features behind a pay wall, I'm out. Goodbye, cya later.



                                Rex told them the CFM devs were all listening last night, and they kept going back to "what would you be willing to pay for" ..... to me, seemed alot like, trying to see if people would just pony up what they would pay for, sadly i didnt hear anyone call in and say F that.That is kind of what makes me feel uneasy about it .


                                I hope your right , and would like to think your right, the backlash would be huge.But i know one thing, people can be conditioned slowly to accept things( just take a look around society today).People either push back when the idea is introduced, or your will find it a part of your reality soon.
                                Yup, i said it !



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