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  • BezO
    MVP
    • Jul 2004
    • 4414

    #361
    Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

    Originally posted by SolidSquid
    I don't even care about tiered offensive play calling but if they give us tiered defense with new gap control I'll be coming up with exotic blitz looks and packages. My fingers are crossed
    Most folks don't mention or request re-tiering offensive play calling, but it's tied to the reason we want/need formation subs. The playbook ties formation to personnel. It shouldn't. We should be able to select them separately. Most just want to do it Madden style... formation subs.
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    • Reed1417
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      • May 2012
      • 6121

      #362
      Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

      I've been playing Madden for a long time, even played that other football game for a long time too. Can someone explain to me what exactly tiered play calling is? Cause when I see that word I think of levels of whatever you are referring to. Sorry if this clutters the thread I'm just curious. This is coming from a sim guy too hahaha!

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      • BezO
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        • Jul 2004
        • 4414

        #363
        Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

        Originally posted by Reed1417
        I've been playing Madden for a long time, even played that other football game for a long time too. Can someone explain to me what exactly tiered play calling is? Cause when I see that word I think of levels of whatever you are referring to. Sorry if this clutters the thread I'm just curious. This is coming from a sim guy too hahaha!

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        Tiering would allow us to select front, blitzes/stunts and coverage independently, opposed to picking from the pre-packaged combinations EA provides.

        Defense is more about concepts than "plays". Madden provides plays instead of letting us create those concepts.
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        • Big FN Deal
          Banned
          • Aug 2011
          • 5993

          #364
          Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

          Originally posted by BezO
          Most folks don't mention or request re-tiering offensive play calling, but it's tied to the reason we want/need formation subs. The playbook ties formation to personnel. It shouldn't. We should be able to select them separately. Most just want to do it Madden style... formation subs.
          Lol, I just was asking you about this in another thread and I thought that might be the gist of your point, ask for fundamental fixes not bandaids. We've had that discussion in the past and I still say something is better than nothing, ie I don't think most people want it Madden style but if that's the best we can get right now, we'll take it, with regard to certain things.

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          • BezO
            MVP
            • Jul 2004
            • 4414

            #365
            Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

            Originally posted by Reed1417
            I've been playing Madden for a long time, even played that other football game for a long time too. Can someone explain to me what exactly tiered play calling is? Cause when I see that word I think of levels of whatever you are referring to. Sorry if this clutters the thread I'm just curious. This is coming from a sim guy too hahaha!

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            Tiering would allow us to select front, blitzes/stunts and coverage independently, opposed to picking from the pre-packaged combinations EA provides. Defense is more about concepts than "plays". Madden provides plays instead of letting us create those concepts.

            Similar on offense. Madden ties formations to personnel. You select Spread, for example, and Madden gives you 4 WRs. But that look can be run with any personnel... base, 3 WRs, 3 TEs, etc. Most want formation subs to address that short coming, but re-tiering offense play calling, allowing independently selection of personnel and formation would give the freedom that NFL coaches have.
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            • BezO
              MVP
              • Jul 2004
              • 4414

              #366
              Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

              Originally posted by Big FN Deal
              Lol, I just was asking you about this in another thread and I thought that might be the gist of your point, ask for fundamental fixes not bandaids. We've had that discussion in the past and I still say something is better than nothing, ie I don't think most people want it Madden style but if that's the best we can get right now, we'll take it, with regard to certain things.
              I'll check for that post.

              But developers listen to thier fans, we hope. We ask for formation subs, more hot routes, etc, they're likely to deliver that. Let's ask for what it should be and let them take baby steps on the way to that if necessary. I see so few folks talking about the problems with the offensive play calling (a few more regarding defense) that I'm not sure developers are aware there's a problem. They acknowledge the desire for form subs. I've not seen a developer talk about the tiering since I visited them in 2010.
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              • Reed1417
                MVP
                • May 2012
                • 6121

                #367
                Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                Ah I gotcha. I think I understand it more now. I was always more of a baseball guy, never played football so that would explain why I'm not too familiar with all this stuff. It's sorta like creating a play based on the stunts, blitzes and coverages all put together? You know what I mean?


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                • mrprice33
                  Just some guy
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 5986

                  #368
                  Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                  Originally posted by BezO
                  I'll check for that post.

                  But developers listen to thier fans, we hope. We ask for formation subs, more hot routes, etc, they're likely to deliver that. Let's ask for what it should be and let them take baby steps on the way to that if necessary. I see so few folks talking about the problems with the offensive play calling (a few more regarding defense) that I'm not sure developers are aware there's a problem. They acknowledge the desire for form subs. I've not seen a developer talk about the tiering since I visited them in 2010.
                  I think it would require such a fundamental rewrite of basically everything that it's going to be a while before we see tiered play calling on either side of the ball.

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                  • BezO
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 4414

                    #369
                    Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                    Originally posted by Reed1417
                    ...It's sorta like creating a play based on the stunts, blitzes and coverages all put together? You know what I mean?
                    Exactly.

                    Offensive coordinators do it to some degree as well. You could put any combination of pass routes together, but some make more sense and accomplish certain things. Mike Martz of the 99, 00 & 01 Rams was famous for creating new plays every week. I would never expect Madden to get on that level.
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                    • BezO
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 4414

                      #370
                      Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                      Originally posted by mrprice33
                      I think it would require such a fundamental rewrite of basically everything that it's going to be a while before we see tiered play calling on either side of the ball.
                      Agreed. I was told that by devs back in 2010. Something they should've done when they supposedly "rebuilt Madden from the ground up" for this generation.

                      The problem was/is that the offensive assignments are tied to the defensive calls. Giving that freedom to the defense would break those assignments. With offensive players supposedly blocking areas instead of assignments this year, maybe it's coming in the near future.

                      They need to at least add to the pre-existing combinations and make similar versions available in all similar fronts. 4-3 base, over, under, etc, for example, should all have the same/similar "plays" available.
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                      • NoleFan
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 12856

                        #371
                        This is the first information I've read about Madden 17 and if this pans out, it could be a good year for football gaming.
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                        • CyberRudy25
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                          • Jan 2014
                          • 38

                          #372
                          Hopefully franchise mode is updated with a sports ticker and espn integration or cbs .

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                          • Shadymamba
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                            • Apr 2005
                            • 758

                            #373
                            Originally posted by Cowboy008
                            I really like what I hear but I need to see it in action.
                            exactly - every year it sounds great - lets play it and be the judges ourselves
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                            • Diehardfan
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 156

                              #374
                              Yep....it's the same old song that's played every year at this time. I'll believe it when I see. I'll believe it when Pass Interference is called more than once every millennium.

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                              • roadman
                                *ll St*r
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 26339

                                #375
                                Re: Madden NFL 17 Address All 3 Phases of the Game: Offense, Defense & Special Teams

                                Originally posted by Diehardfan
                                Yep....it's the same old song that's played every year at this time. I'll believe it when I see. I'll believe it when Pass Interference is called more than once every millennium.
                                Huh? DPI was called much more last year than ever. Before last year, it was non-existent.

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