What's to Become of NBA Live?

[Junior Moe]

Re: What's to Become of NBA Live?

Sometimes you need to take a backseat by picking quality over quantity. Yes the Kobe career mode lacks replay value but what it lacks in replay value it makes up for it in detail, graphics and animation quality due to all the focus, time, resources NBA live devs will put in this mode. They don't have to worry about an NBA fully featured current product, so you can just imagine the level of detail this one mode would have it would surpass 2k in anything they have done. Basically to put it in simpler terms this is what I call getting down to basics building a foundation, than you could eventually work on fully featured NBA game with the current product.

Let me answer your questions Junior Moe as fair and balanced as I possibly can, for building the NBA live brand this method would show what NBA live is capable of, when devs are spending their time on one mode just think of the level of detail. They can sell it based on the expierence alone if it does a good job of blurring the line between reality and just a game. For the replay value there's a reason why I recommend this method only for one year while they work on the side the current NBA product and release that in 2018. If this Kobe career mode pans out it will regain the lack of trust between the community and NBA live rebuilding up the brand for the following years. To answer to you Ermolli if me and you set up a poll and gamers had to pick between a Kobe career mode and a pro am mode they would laugh at your pro am.

Its like those tech demos that make you go WOW is that real or fake. With NBA live devs focusing solely on one mode this is the effect their capable of to gamers. Current Gen gamers want to feel immersed in their sport games needing the product to blur the lines between video game and reality. With a whole development team working on one mode it would be possible. NBA live past sins will be forgiven by gamers because they will produce an expierence like no other. Pushing these current gen consoles to their limit that should be ultimate goal.

I'm not saying that its a bad idea. It sounds great! I just don't see how that helps Live long term. And if they could get even an old school game to look and play great then they could do it for the modern NBA. It's like Battlefield and COD for me. Both are good games. They're FPS so there's a lot of overlap, but, I like the vehicle combat in Battlefield and everything feels heavier. I love the sheer spectacle of COD campaign mode and blasting zombies ona boring Saturday. Both are an easy purchase for me. I'd easily do the same with Live if it gave me a reason to want it. Someone made the case before that we should support Live for the sake of competition. BS. You have to earn these dollars. I do! Quality matters. Reputation matters. Live 10 sold worse than Live 08 and it was a much better game overall. But by that point EA had lost people and 2K was stepping on the gas. It didn't happen overnight. Live could release the greatest, most sim basketball game in history next year and it wouldn't sell squat because their reputation is just that bad. Now over the course of a few years with excellent releases they could get back in it.

[Black Bruce Wayne]

I maybe crazy and delusional but all NBA live has to do is get back to the basics gameplay and animation quality. Forget everything, forget Dynasty, forget customization, forget all of that. Just focus your time, energy, resources to gameplay and animation quality. With Kobe retiring just focus on his career, begin with fro Kobe, kobe/shaq, kobe/gasol, kobe/russel. This is your perfect excuse NBA live devs just forget about everything else the features, the modes, just focus on gameplay/animations. Mo-cap all of Kobe signature moves including his teammates throughout his career in finest detail possible. This game will sell like crazy based on Kobe alone don't even need the current NBA product included.

You cant introduce me to Franchise, which came in 1999 first, and then take it away. People want customization and some sort of a Franchise mode, along with what you mentioned. You can have all of those things. This isnt the 90s, they can build it now

[vtcrb]

Re: What's to Become of NBA Live?

Classic NBA teams would be the ONLY way NBA LIVE could compete with NBA 2K. The is a huge market for the Classic teams.

No offense to anyone but the single mode option would sell worse than NBA Live 16. No replay value.

The problem it seems with NBA Live is the have some guys on team who WANT to make a game the way it should be made but don't have enough rank on the team to make it happen.

[Barbatrucco]

Re: What's to Become of NBA Live?

You cant introduce me to Franchise, which came in 1999 first, and then take it away. People want customization and some sort of a Franchise mode, along with what you mentioned. You can have all of those things. This isnt the 90s, they can build it now

You cant introduce me to Franchise, which came in 1999 first, and then take it away. People want customization and some sort of a Franchise mode, along with what you mentioned. You can have all of those things. This isnt the 90s, they can build it now

This is not the point. Nba Live can't do the same work of Nba 2K right now, but EA now can do what Nba2K can't afford to make, that is to focus all resources on a single game. Nba 2K engeneers have to do an entire game, EA engeneers have to focus only on a single match so, this single EA match will be like reality. I mean, not similar to reality. I mean like reality. You have 27 GB of space to reproduce one single game. So the product will be a real game that you can play. A real game like you watch it on Youtube. Any lover of basketball, if you will come across the opportunity to play a game identical to as seen on tv, will spend those 10 dollars via Steam to buy it. And that game will be the absolute reality, because EA can afford to use the 27 gigs of space to reproduce it perfectly as we see in the video.

[Barbatrucco]

Re: What's to Become of NBA Live?

No offense to anyone but the single mode option would sell worse than NBA Live 16. No replay value.

If you have the opportunity to manage Michael Jordan like you see in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpoDl-QzN7Y, you will spend 10 dollars via Steam to play this game perfelty remake like the video? I mean E X A C T L Y in this video.

[Crunky]

Re: What's to Become of NBA Live?

Me an Barbatrucco agree it will be something revolutionary, sort of like vr but a video game people would want purchase just based on the expierence alone so replay value be dammed. You guys must not be aware of what a whole development team is capable of when they poor all their time, energy, focus and resources on one mode. If they get this right the trust between the community will be repaired due to seeing the glimmer of hope their capable of. Junior Moe I agree with your idea too they don't need Kobe career mode that's just my preference because I already receive my basketball fix from 2k. But like you said all they have to do is build the core foundation by getting back to basics like gameplay, mo-cap every animation of the current NBA product and forget features, forget Dynasty, forget customization, forget pro am for only 1yr skip all that and focus on the basics similar to my Kobe career mode and there'll rebuild their brand. Let me ask you guys this question if I had a game that blurred the lines between reality and videogame wouldn't you want to purchase it based on that and have it a part of your video game library collection, well with my idea and Barbatrucco all that would be possible.

[blackceasar]

Honestly, it all comes down to EA Sports being to proud to admit the real truth...

If they were actually good at making console basketball games, and I mean good in the sense that it's a LEGIT competitor with 2k , they wouldn't be looking to jump into mobile and all this other stuff. They are basically taking their ball (pardon the pun) and finding another court to play on where the competition isn't there to drop 50 points on them every night.

EA is a victim of their own size and success. They are the big fat bloated company with a ton of overhead form VP's that probably know nothing about gaming, share holders, board members, etc. When you get that big as a company working on that many titles, between all the red tape, too many "suits" having too much influence over things that affect that production schedule and talent to produce Live, etc this is what you are left with as consumers.

EA going to play in another space is them simply throwing in the towel and deciding they can make more $$$$ moving to other platforms where 2k isn't at. Put Live on mobile or some other platform that 2k isn't on and they no longer have competition again (on those platforms at least).

I've been a gamer for over 30 years. EA Sports went from a gaming company to a company that "happens" to make games. There's a difference here people.

[KingTocco]

Re: What's to Become of NBA Live?

I can't really believe what I'm reading in here in terms of what some of you think is a good idea for Live. I mean no offense by that either.

The single mode/game recreation makes less than zero sense to me from a business standpoint and a consumer one.

Some of you are delusional, as one of you even mentioned. This type of game a few of you described would sell less than 16. Honestly I think it would further cement in people's mind the moniker of NBA Live just being a laughing stock.

NBA Live could compete with 2K, EA has the money and the brand but they just haven't either been given enough from EA in terms of resources, or they've just plain failed. Probably a little of both to be honest.

I'd like Live to figure something out for the sake of competition and having options, it's great for the consumer. I don't really have much faith in it though, and I can't even begin to tell you how uninterested I am in a mobile game.


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[Crunky]

Re: What's to Become of NBA Live?

You cant introduce me to Franchise, which came in 1999 first, and then take it away. People want customization and some sort of a Franchise mode, along with what you mentioned. You can have all of those things. This isnt the 90s, they can build it now

Its your pick Black Bruce Wayne do you want a fully featured current NBA game with supar gameplay, poor animation quality with replay value or do you want a Kobe career mode that will revolutionize NBA games in the level of detail, gameplay and animation quality without the replay value. The NBA live devs will have 1yr to deliver this product, where would you want their focus, time, resources to be put in to that's the question. The NBA live devs have proven time in and time again that they can't deliver a fully featured game with their method of working top to bottom. I don't know where you come from Black Bruce Wayne but where I come from we work from the bottom to the top.

This is NBA lives method in a nutshell, cool features, Dynasty mode, Pro am with subpar gameplay and animation, well the people have spoken and abandoned ship. The definition of insanity is when you do something over and over and you continue to get the same results. That's why I bring my method to the table, where you are truly working from the bottom on a core foundation than you eventually work your way up to the top by adding fully fledged out features, Dynasty mode, Pro am, customization, etc. Common Sense 101 and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this one out.

[noshun]

Re: What's to Become of NBA Live?

While Im not going to say its not out of the box thinking, that 1 off shoot game is a TERRIBLE idea. There would be no incentive to play it as we already know what happens. Whats the point of making a full fledge 1 off shoot game. Why would I spend $10 on that...

[Crunky]

Re: What's to Become of NBA Live?

Let me break this down to you guys in the simplest terms, what if I had a product just forget about the cost of it or if its one match, two match or a whole mode. Only that it blurred the lines between reality and video game wouldn't you want to purchase this product to expierence it. Just imagine the immersion, the detail possible when you have a whole development team focused as one unit on one mode not a whole game. This will revolutionize gaming as we no it the NBA video game will look so real that you couldn't tell if it was a video game, replay value be dammed. The shock factor and WOW feeling is enough to make a day one purchase for NBA gamers period.

[Nemesis Enforcer]

Re: What's to Become of NBA Live?

Sounds like you just want big moments/rewind to include old teams, venues and atmosphere.

[Crunky]

Re: What's to Become of NBA Live?

The only reason I mention a standalone game of Kobe career is because I already receive my sim basketball fix with 2k and I dont believe they will have a kobe career mode so I prefer this as an alternate. I have no issues with you guys preferring a street game, pro am , franchise, customization over this. Infact I mentioned in an earlier post I want NBA live devs to just focus on gameplay, animations for 1yr and forget about everything else until you perfect those 2things.

[zzcoolj21]

Re: What's to Become of NBA Live?

I just cant see "Kobe Live 17" being a hit with consumers. EA can't just say "Oh 2k already has a sim game so lets just make something to accompany it".

Also, people saying they should release it for free doesn't make sense either. The amount of money they have lost in production and promotion ALREADY is bad enough. Giving it away for free is almost like digging their own grave.

EA is stuck between a rock and a hard place and there's really no sure fire way out of it. Will be interesting to see what happens going forward.

[Barbatrucco]

I'm not speaking about one simple game. I'm saying that you have the opportunity to play ONE game, like game six 1998 Nba Finals, at the detail, fluidity, atmosphere, animations etcetera identical as you see in youtube video.
u don't spend 10 dollars, only $ 10, to play this match as well as you see in the video? 10 dollars? Exactly as you see it? With the same exact movements, facial expressions, public, etc..?
I can't believe it.
If you don't you would pay just $ 10 in order to play a game like faithfully reproduced the same detail you don't like basketball.
Millions of fans would spend $ 10 in order to play a game so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpoDl-QzN7Y