Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3RIQ)

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

I'll have to revisit other sports games to give you a better answer, but what's important is Madden making improvements.

GOOD: Check out the video @2:40 - 2:57. I thought that was a better execution with less dead air. "It references Watkins as the receiver on the left, after the snap, he mentions they'll start the drive in the air, escaping the pressure right, throws to the running back McCoy and he'll get to the 29 yard line, brought down there."

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GOOD: Here's good example of the current commentary team talking about, "the left side," the ball carrier running "down the line 40, 30, 20, etc." @2:40 mark.

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CONCERN: My expectation was based on the excitement surrounding the new commentary. Even though I had reservations about the commentary and even tempering my expectations going into the video, I was expecting a "fuller" commentary. Even if we take out all the "fluff" that I added and just go with a more traditional "scripted" commentary such as, I thought the following could be executed.

Referencing time on the clock, what down it is, how many yards to go, how many receivers are lined up and where, one or two quick lines about the defense scheme, where the offensive player gets the ball, if he is running for more yards, which defender is chasing down the offensive ball carrier, what side of the field the ball is thrown to, what side of the field and at what hash mark is the ball carrier being chased to, etc.

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"It's 1st and 10 at their own 22, under 2 minutes to go in the 1st. Winston under center, single back Martin, Evans the lone receiver to the right. 31 seconds on the playclock, Two safeties up top.

Playfake to Martin, Winston rolls right, throws across his body, finds Seferian Jenkins between two defenders at the 35. Open space no one within 20 yards of Jenkins, Jenkin to the 50, to the 40, down the sideline, to the 30, Darby in pursuit, finally chased out of bounds to the 23. Big gain. 41 big yards after the catch, a 55 yard gain. Wow, a great play to start the game!"

I understand what you are saying Straw, but I'm willing the bet that 75% of the people hike the ball quickly and they wouldn't hear all that much detailed commentary you were expecting.

My goodness, my games are a hour and 15 minutes long as it is up to Madden 16, I don't want to tack on one more minute to that playing time.

To each their own on that note.

[BleedGreen710]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

i can't be the only one noticing these absurd suction tackles in each of these videos right? its sickening to see and honestly seems like the infinity engine has taken a step back this year. this series of events is inexcusable:







should have been a touchdown run by McCoy. instead an engaged defender suctions him into a tackle.

I posted on another video showing the same thing on a different play; here it is if anyone wants to see another obvious example

[TheShizNo1]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

Was/is the agressive catch really over powered in 16? I had Mike Evans and Michael Floyd in my cfm. Shouldn't I expect those two guy (6'4/5) to catch jump balls over much shorter defenders?

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

Yeah, I would have hoped it was tightened up a bit better.

There is still 7 or 8 weeks to tune it, but we'll see how it turns out.

[khaliib]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

i can't be the only one noticing these absurd suction tackles in each of these videos right? its sickening to see and honestly seems like the infinity engine has taken a step back this year. this series of events is inexcusable:







should have been a touchdown run by McCoy. instead an engaged defender suctions him into a tackle.

I posted on another video showing the same thing on a different play; here it is if anyone wants to see another obvious example

It's not suction.

It's the "Ball Cover" Trait which causes the RB to focus on protecting the football.

Very, very few ball carriers in the game are set to "never", which prevents the ball protect animation from triggering.

Both vids clearly show the defensive player reaching for the ball which triggered the ball protect animation which is in-line with the Ball Cover Trait level each RB posses.

[BleedGreen710]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

It's not suction.

It's the "Ball Cover" Trait which causes the RB focus on protecting the football.

Very, very few ball carriers in the game are set to "never", which prevents the ball protect animation from triggering.

Both vids clearly show the defensive player reaching for the ball which triggered the ball protect animation which is in-line with the Ball Cover Trait level each RB posses.

its one thing for the ball carrier to cover up the ball when a defender goes for a swat. its another for the ball carriers legs to completely stop moving and have his body magically warp into the arms of a defender. I wish it were as complex/ratings based as you make it seem but I assure you thats not the case.

Look no further then this play where a defender from behind somehow influences the ball carriers feet to completely stop moving. and he wasn't "reaching for the ball".

[SolidSquid]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

its one thing for the ball carrier to cover up the ball when a defender goes for a swat. its another for the ball carriers legs to completely stop moving and have his body magically warp into the arms of a defender. I wish it were as complex/ratings based as you make it seem but I assure you thats not the case.

Look no further then this play where a defender from behind somehow influences the ball carriers feet to completely stop moving. and he wasn't "reaching for the ball".

It's definitely suction and I feel like it's due to a lack of animations or just a lack of animations triggering. In the 3 plays you've shown I have no problem with the outcomes of the play. The defenders have shed blockers and met the ball carrier but then bc of the lack of animations the "suction" occurs to make up for players being in slightly off positions when the animations start.

I think another layer of physics, specifically weight and momentum would go a long way towards alleviating some of those auction moments.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

Agreed ^^^^. I'm thinking there should be some sort of trip or swipe at the feet type of animation.

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[BleedGreen710]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

It's definitely suction and I feel like it's due to a lack of animations or just a lack of animations triggering.

you could be right. and you know, on that subject- its a shame this years game seems to have added no new tackle animations (or so few that I havent noticed). I'm also seeing the same exact catches too. im not one to throw around the word Lazy loosely, but u have to wonder. dont think I've seen a madden game look so similar to its predecessor. without the commentary and UI It would be tough to distinguish a lot of the gameplay videos that came out recently from ones of Madden 16.

[khaliib]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

its one thing for the ball carrier to cover up the ball when a defender goes for a swat. its another for the ball carriers legs to completely stop moving and have his body magically warp into the arms of a defender. I wish it were as complex/ratings based as you make it seem but I assure you thats not the case.

Look no further then this play where a defender from behind somehow influences the ball carriers feet to completely stop moving. and he wasn't "reaching for the ball".

I responded to your first two slow-mo clips from bad angles that do not show all that is going on around the ball carrier other than defenders reaching for the ball and it triggering the ball protect animation.

Not complexed at all, just highlighting what was triggering the RB's to react the the way they did in the two slowed down clips you posted.

This clip is highlighting the "Reach" tackle which shows that the radius of the tackle rating still needs to be tweaked/toned down so the animation doesn't trigger so far away.

Yes I agree on this one, but using a totally different tackle animation to affirm what you're claiming in the first two clips, to me isn't fair to all the hard work Rex and Co is putting into the game.

But I digress, I should've looked at the historical post before responding.

[BleedGreen710]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

Yes I agree on this one, but using a totally different tackle animation to affirm what you're claiming in the first two clips, to me isn't fair to all the hard work Rex and Co is putting into the game.

so all my gifs of suction tackles have to be the same tackle animation or its unfair to the developers?

... say what?

[Sgexpat]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

the pocket is still bad....no sense of preesure, nothing.....the pocket is just too damn wide....

There is no pocket. The line play remains too static and more wall of guys standing there occasionally missing assignment than pocket, with dice-roll through / not through pass rushing mechanics. This was a huge issue in M16 which through sliders you could get something approximating NFL pressure but never a real pocket and never reliable blocking behaviour from your line.

I am optimistic though, that the madden team will come back and re look at the pocket and blitzing dynamics in M18. Just doesn't seem to have made the cut for M17. What they did for zone defense and run defense this year they need to do for offensive line blocking and blitzing next year.

[raidertiger]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

Commentary sounds like it has the potential to be really good, if not now then next year. Colour me intrigued.

[Noonie13]

The same pre-game(fullback running in place), bad motion capture(every position runs with the same animation/movement), and suction tackling from 4 yrs ago.

[jpdavis82]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos -Commentary/Presentation, Toned Down Aggressive Catch (iMAV3

It's not suction.

It's the "Ball Cover" Trait which causes the RB to focus on protecting the football.

Very, very few ball carriers in the game are set to "never", which prevents the ball protect animation from triggering.

Both vids clearly show the defensive player reaching for the ball which triggered the ball protect animation which is in-line with the Ball Cover Trait level each RB posses.

There is no Infinity Engine gen 3 physics in the game anymore, Rex mentioned this in a interview. Only the gen 4 physics are in the game now.


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