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  • jvalverde88
    Moderator
    • Jun 2008
    • 11787

    #16
    Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

    Originally posted by TheWalkingCash
    This guy literally just runs 4 verts the whole game..... Smh
    Yeah the guy 's play style completely ruined the video for me, also you can tell this guy didn't really know what he was talking about when he was talking about Elliott. He was making Elliott seem as if he's a elite player or something.
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    • SolidSquid
      MVP
      • Aug 2014
      • 3159

      #17
      Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

      Originally posted by 4thQtrStre5S
      NOw I recall a Dev stating adjustments to pass rush to get the quarterback around the average 3 second time to throw and I haven't seen that yet; more like 5 seconds minimum, unless you call an actual blitz play.

      EDIT: If this is on Rookie, then I can understand the pass rush, I just hope it scales as the difficulty level increases.
      Other videos have been played on all-pro and the pass rush is just as bad. Devs (I believe Clint) has said they are tuning it but idk it looks like it needs more than that. The problem I see is that the defensive lines first and only thought seems to be make as much contact as possible with the offensive line.

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      • jaynral
        Rookie
        • Aug 2012
        • 93

        #18
        "Passing Pocket, what passing pocket...this is madden"......I seen about 7-10 videos now and once again, the line play is terrible...No pocket, just a str8 of couples dancing...Didnt they dedicate a whole year to line play?..what happened to that?...Hoping sliders will help....But this needs to be addressed...I dont care if it on rookie, allpro or madden, this still needs to be a pocket..Also, running the ball, the holes are crazy big...I like the direction things are going but cmon man

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        • Brooke2011
          MVP
          • Aug 2013
          • 1904

          #19
          Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

          Def liked the speed of these vids.... Slow was my speed on madden 16 and it looks like it on this one

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          • 4thQtrStre5S
            MVP
            • Nov 2013
            • 3051

            #20
            Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

            Like anything, a solid foundation must be built and present before anything else can be built; with Madden, that means the OL & DL; that has never been the case with Madden, thus nothing else will work realistically.

            In the M17 video, the LE/LOLB still is the major pass rusher, regardless of how good the RE or ROLB is, and this shouldn't happen.

            I am not going to review all the other issues with the DL/OL interactions because they have been stated ad nauseam, but they are very important and must be addressed before anything else is addressed/adjusted from this moment forward.

            CFM, IMO, until we get away from the generic selection screens and move back to what we had in "Head Coach" with the coaches office as the options area, there will be little immersion to CFM..Generally, all that was in Head Coach needs to be in CFM, just expanded on. Immersion needs to be everything from locker room for game planning to an actual seat on draft day with the team logo on a sign sitting on the draft table with a phone to take and make trades and call in picks, etc..

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            • ninertravel
              MVP
              • Aug 2015
              • 4833

              #21
              Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

              The best part about this was the 2nd video commentary it actually sounded like a broadcast more flowing, litlte things like 'looking for Olsen' Intercepted' in the past that would have sounded so telegraphed

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              • roadman
                *ll St*r
                • Aug 2003
                • 26339

                #22
                Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

                Originally posted by SolidSquid
                Other videos have been played on all-pro and the pass rush is just as bad. Devs (I believe Clint) has said they are tuning it but idk it looks like it needs more than that. The problem I see is that the defensive lines first and only thought seems to be make as much contact as possible with the offensive line.
                Actually, Clint said there are some outstanding issues with pass rush they are still working on.

                Hopefully, that means more than just tuning.

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                • StormsWarning
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2193

                  #23
                  Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

                  people crying etc, this game looks amazing and from my stand point now that i've seen actual gameplay, it's a done deal, is it perfect? noped, but it does alot of things better than 16? ---> judging from video's of 17 vs 16? Yep. keep up the good job.
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                  • WISports
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2013
                    • 2058

                    #24
                    Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

                    Player models just look off to me, as does their movement.

                    All players look like they're bow-legged or something.

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                    • Goffs
                      New Ork Giants
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 12279

                      #25
                      Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

                      Ugh...I don't know why they have to have a zoomed up low angle shot of the player after a play. It's like the camera man is literally on the field....it breaks the immersion for me...

                      I don't follow much about the game but what's that blue line when running?



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                      • Americas Team
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2016
                        • 1282

                        #26
                        Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

                        Originally posted by roadman
                        Actually, Clint said there are some outstanding issues with pass rush they are still working on.

                        Hopefully, that means more than just tuning.

                        I doubt it, at this point they've done all the can do with the current system which is basically the same system since Madden 2001. The only thing left to do is tear the current system down and build a new one.
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                        • roadman
                          *ll St*r
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 26339

                          #27
                          Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

                          Originally posted by Americas Team
                          I doubt it, at this point they've done all the can do with the current system which is basically the same system since Madden 2001. The only thing left to do is tear the current system down and build a new one.
                          I agree it needs to be blown up(hello Frostbite), but willing to wait it out to see how close it becomes in retail instead of it naming it a wasted effort at this stage.

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                          • LBzrule
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 13085

                            #28
                            Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

                            Originally posted by SolidSquid
                            The lack of pass rush in the Giants Cowboys video is downright bad. At one point a cowboy defensive end is within arm length of Eli and doesn't even attempt to grab him. This needs to be fixed before release
                            For the Cowboys the pass rush should be awful. Giants on the other hand spent a lot of money, but they are probably going against the best OL in the game. It's a really tough balancing act (how do you make the Giants 4 man pass rush a terror vs average to bad OL's but mitigate them against a great OL without having every team in the game do that? How much should the Giants pass rush be mitigated against a great OL? It's been an enduring problem for them.) You really don't want teams that don't have the horses up front to be able to just get to the QB with their front four, ie., Cowboys. But then you don't want a team with a great OL to also just give up QB tackles on a whim. But you want teams that invested in pass rush, ie, Giants to be able to get to the QB or at least push and collapse the pocket.

                            In the past they certainly haven't nuanced this via teams and personnel as much as the community would have liked and I'm not sure if that's still the case. From the looks of it, maybe, but we'll have to wait and see.

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                            • SolidSquid
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2014
                              • 3159

                              #29
                              Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

                              How do you let good defensive lines dominate sub par offensive lines and struggle against top flight offensive lines you ask? The answer is simple ratings and animations my boy.

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                              • LBzrule
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 13085

                                #30
                                Re: Madden NFL 17 Videos - Giants vs. Cowboys & Redskins vs. Panthers (TheFlightMike)

                                Originally posted by SolidSquid
                                How do you let good defensive lines dominate sub par offensive lines and struggle against top flight offensive lines you ask? The answer is simple ratings and animations my boy.
                                Of course this is where ratings should come into play BUT a key problem here is that there are individual player ratings and skill level sliders, in which the latter may have more impact on the former than we think.

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