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  • NDAlum
    ND
    • Jun 2010
    • 11453

    #91
    Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

    Originally posted by Big FN Deal
    Well besides the obvious of getting to see it sooner is better than having to wait till later, there's the fact that this year they was very little uncut game play period, even for E3/EA Play, unlike previous years and with all the claims about what's been tuned and/or fixed since that build, I'd like to see how it looks now. Not to mention they never can get too early a jump start on the next applicable patch from visual issues the many eye's of the community can catch that the few of EA Tib might have missed.

    I fail to see why it wouldn't matter from a gamers POV, maybe you'll elaborate on your opinion.
    I'll check out game play videos before I buy the game to make my decision. It doesn't matter if it is 3 weeks or 3 days before the game releases. It's not a time sensitive matter for me. I have no desire to break down game play videos and find issues for EA.

    I'll be out of town during the release anyways.
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    • l8knight1
      BRING BACK F2000 HELMET!!
      • Aug 2002
      • 1185

      #92
      Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

      Quote Originally Posted by JKSportsGamer1984
      They said there would be new "camera angles" not gameplay cameras. They were talking about presentation camera angles. It's already been confirmed there are no new gameplay cameras. We seriously need a Custom camera option back though.


      Originally posted by Black Bruce Wayne
      Thanks. This is very disappointing news.
      When have we ever had a customizable play camera?
      Last edited by l8knight1; 07-27-2016, 08:59 AM.

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      • Brooke2011
        MVP
        • Aug 2013
        • 1904

        #93
        Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

        So according to CM hoo the game is incomplete and won't ever be a final product until 2017? I'm not completely sold on that . The core game is going to be intact and little tweaks will be patched in but I'll bet the house that what is available now is 99% of what you'll be getting on launch.

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        • jpdavis82
          All Star
          • Sep 2005
          • 8794

          #94
          Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

          Originally posted by Brooke2011
          So according to CM hoo the game is incomplete and won't ever be a final product until 2017? I'm not completely sold on that . The core game is going to be intact and little tweaks will be patched in but I'll bet the house that what is available now is 99% of what you'll be getting on launch.


          That depends on how important you consider things like formation subs, they may not be in at launch but if they add them along the way that would be pretty big.


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          • Hova57
            MVP
            • Mar 2008
            • 3754

            #95
            Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

            The fact they say it can be patched in makes me believe it's destined to be patch 2

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            • seasprite
              Phenom
              • Jul 2008
              • 8984

              #96
              Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

              Originally posted by Brooke2011
              So according to CM hoo the game is incomplete and won't ever be a final product until 2017? I'm not completely sold on that . The core game is going to be intact and little tweaks will be patched in but I'll bet the house that what is available now is 99% of what you'll be getting on launch.
              I believe that is just what he said






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              • bucky60
                Banned
                • Jan 2008
                • 3288

                #97
                Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

                Originally posted by CM Hooe
                If, however, you are a proponent of the present-day idea of games-as-a-service, which proposes year-round product technical and content updates and support, you literally could not be more wrong.

                Many AAA game developers, Tiburon among them, have come around to the idea of games-as-a-service. Using Madden NFL 16 as a strong data point for the following assertion - M16 has seen maybe a dozen post-release patches this year
                And in those dozen patches for 16, I can't recall any with major gameplay changes. Some bug fixes, some bug introductions (fatigue, QB Accuracy). But no major gameplay enhancements. Which is what I think that guys point is. If we are expecting major gameplay enhancements in the first patch, we may be disappointed. Using Madden as a "data point", I don't think it has up to now. They added some mut stuff and that other mode, but not much in the way of gameplay enhancements.

                Maybe it will change this year if they do add things like formations subs, defensive assignments and better OL/DL pocket in the first patch.

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                • bucky60
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 3288

                  #98
                  Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

                  Originally posted by jpdavis82
                  That depends on how important you consider things like formation subs, they may not be in at launch but if they add them along the way that would be pretty big.


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                  That's if that actually happens. Let's not give them credit for things they have yet to do. Maybe we should wait and give them credit they deserve AFTER they actually do it.

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                  • ChicagoChris
                    60526
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 1547

                    #99
                    Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

                    Originally posted by CM Hooe
                    If you subscribe to the mid-2000s model of how console video games work - where you get a boxed release and maybe two patches total to fix problems - you are reasonably close to correct.

                    If, however, you are a proponent of the present-day idea of games-as-a-service, which proposes year-round product technical and content updates and support, you literally could not be more wrong.

                    Many AAA game developers, Tiburon among them, have come around to the idea of games-as-a-service. Using Madden NFL 16 as a strong data point for the following assertion - M16 has seen maybe a dozen post-release patches this year, one as late as last week, and weekly Ultimate Team and Draft Champions content updates since the game launched last August - Madden NFL 17 won't be "done" in the traditional sense of the word until Madden NFL 18 is available for purchase in stores.

                    As to zero-day patches, they often don't get public-facing patch notes because the end user won't have played the pre-patch version of the game in 99% of cases. It's unnecessary and doesn't garner any of the goodwill a post-launch title update earns, when people are more familiar with a game's warts.



                    The people who are buying Madden NFL on day one are the hardest of the hardcore. These people are the ones who feen for the drip-feed of any information about the new game, the ones who will praise the game for the most minor of authenticity details, the ones who will tear the game apart for one missed spot of animation coverage. The audience for a pre-release video right now, well before the NFL is back in the public conscious, is comprised of the very people who will see these otherwise trivial differences.

                    Besides, the people in this audience are by-and-large going to buy Madden anyway, regardless of the existence of pre-release gameplay footage, so it's arguably also a waste of effort, particularly in a world like ours where the most die-hard Madden enthusiasts will be streaming the game prior to launch day on Twitch and basically doing EA's video-making and advertising for them.
                    Great and intelligent post. I for one would welcome a subscription model. That is how Office works. You pay a monthly cost and you get new features and up to use on 5 PC's. Perhaps not apples to apples with Madden, but imagine a subscription where you get new content for a monthly fee. Sure, there would have to be value in it but it could work.

                    This is how a lot of games are going now. Look at Star Wars Battlefront. You buy the game and they try and sell you a season pass with it for $50. Not my cup of tea but i can see that model working for Madden.

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                    • Hooe
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 21555

                      #100
                      Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

                      Originally posted by bucky60
                      And in those dozen patches for 16, I can't recall any with major gameplay changes.

                      Salary Cap Ranked, Draft Champions Play A Friend, and Franchise XP sliders are most definitely not bug fixes and are each major feature introductions. These new game modes and options have meaningfully extended the experience of playing Madden NFL 16, none of them were available at launch last August, and all three changed the value proposition of buying Madden NFL 16 by providing the user more ways to play the game.

                      It's not the first time a Madden game has been extended post-launch, either. Ultimate Team was added in a patch in Madden NFL 10 (as well as AFL Anniversary mode), Madden NFL 13 added a bunch of stuff to the first version of Connected Franchise post-launch (notably fantasy draft, roster import, and rudimentary player editing). Madden NFL 15 added an optional additional play-calling menu interface. And so on.

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                      • Brooke2011
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 1904

                        #101
                        Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

                        Originally posted by jpdavis82
                        That depends on how important you consider things like formation subs, they may not be in at launch but if they add them along the way that would be pretty big.


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                        No ,formation subs would be huge !!!!I'm strictly talking about core gameplay.
                        Don't get me wrong EA does a great job tweaking things. But remember it took 11-12 months to make the game . One or two weaks won't effect the core gameplay.

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                        • roadman
                          *ll St*r
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 26339

                          #102
                          Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

                          Originally posted by bucky60
                          That's if that actually happens. Let's not give them credit for things they have yet to do. Maybe we should wait and give them credit they deserve AFTER they actually do it.
                          I don't know, didn't he use words like if and would be?

                          I don't think he's giving credit now when using words like if and would be, all a matter of interpretation, I guess.

                          As far as patches, they did include a new salary cap a few patches ago.

                          The game will be out in whatever state the game comes out in. I think it's safe the use the phraseology, continuous development, which is what Rex and Clint have been referring to.

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                          • Brooke2011
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2013
                            • 1904

                            #103
                            Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

                            Originally posted by CM Hooe
                            Salary Cap Ranked, Draft Champions Play A Friend, and Franchise XP sliders are most definitely not bug fixes and are each major feature introductions. These new game modes and options have meaningfully extended the experience of playing Madden NFL 16, none of them were available at launch last August, and all three changed the value proposition of buying Madden NFL 16 by providing the user more ways to play the game.

                            It's not the first time a Madden game has been extended post-launch, either. Ultimate Team was added in a patch in Madden NFL 10 (as well as AFL Anniversary mode), Madden NFL 13 added a bunch of stuff to the first version of Connected Franchise post-launch (notably fantasy draft, roster import, and rudimentary player editing). Madden NFL 15 added an optional additional play-calling menu interface. And so on.
                            Your missing the point I think.Those are add- on's .they are not core gameplay.... Yes Ea adds on those things ,but you'll never see those or be able to judge them in a five minute gameplay clip.... That's my point .

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                            • bucky60
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 3288

                              #104
                              Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

                              Originally posted by CM Hooe
                              Salary Cap Ranked, Draft Champions Play A Friend, and Franchise XP sliders are most definitely not bug fixes and are each major feature introductions.
                              And all of those are more franchise enhancements (non gameplay) or mode additions (Draft Champions). Those are not really gameplay improvements, which is what I think the gentleman was referring too.

                              My post was referring specifically to gameplay improvements.
                              Last edited by bucky60; 07-27-2016, 10:42 AM.

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                              • bucky60
                                Banned
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 3288

                                #105
                                Re: Madden NFL 17 Gameplay - Short Video Clips (GameInformer)

                                Originally posted by roadman
                                I don't know, didn't he use words like if and would be?
                                Then why mention it as a rebuttal to that gentleman's point if it hasn't happened yet and may or may not happen?

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