Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Wide Receivers

[msdm27]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Wide Receivers

Right.

If Hopkins was a 4.57 at 21 and Green was a 4.50 at 21, then at 24 and 28, respectively, it's safe to assume that Hopkins is about as fast, if not slightly faster, than Green. They'll never race to find out, and I think it's probably unreasonable to expect that one person will be able to update the speed for every single player during one off-season via film (whether they should be using one person to do ratings is another discussion entirely), so this is the best we have. It's not perfect, and some of the methodology could be clearer, but it is what it is.

Good arguments, I reckon now the one point difference in the players is justified inside the ratings scheme. As Price said, wish there was a bit more clarity as far as how things are rated, but some things are also so subjective that we just have to hope for consistency in the method used.

[briz1046]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Wide Receivers

Right.

If Hopkins was a 4.57 at 21 and Green was a 4.50 at 21, then at 24 and 28, respectively, it's safe to assume that Hopkins is about as fast, if not slightly faster, than Green. They'll never race to find out, and I think it's probably unreasonable to expect that one person will be able to update the speed for every single player during one off-season via film (whether they should be using one person to do ratings is another discussion entirely), so this is the best we have. It's not perfect, and some of the methodology could be clearer, but it is what it is.

Tbh if athletes peak at say 25 sprinting wise , I'd say AJ should still have a a slight edge in SPD or ACC but itwould be marginal at best .

I'd say speed regression due to age is overdone since 16 still , barring injury its not much of a factor until nearer 30 and then should slowly decline

[mrprice33]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Wide Receivers

Tbh if athletes peak at say 25 sprinting wise , I'd say AJ should still have a a slight edge in SPD or ACC but itwould be marginal at best .

I'd say speed regression due to age is overdone since 16 still , barring injury its not much of a factor until nearer 30 and then should slowly decline

Afaik there's no data to back that up.


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[mrprice33]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Wide Receivers

I thougt they have someone else helping Kane, the same person that is helping him with equipment. Emsolo or something similar to that?

I thought she just worked on live but regardless you could have a 10 person staff doing ratings and maybe have enough.


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[toastysausage]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Wide Receivers

I'm with you. Coming out of college their rating should be purely based on what their 40 time was, but a base speed deduction as players reach certain ages is something that I'm more than okay with.

It shouldn't be purely based on 40 time. 40 time has lot more to do with acceleration than speed

[JohnTaylor]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Wide Receivers

Receiver should lose speed depending on age, injury type, and combination of both.

[briz1046]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Wide Receivers

Afaik there's no data to back that up.


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There is data available via Google for track athletes , sorry can't provide a link as I'm using my PS and I'm an old technophobe , how that translates to WRs is up for debate

I also seem to remember Dan from FBG saying he'd seen team data regarding James Jones from GB in an old thread that showed no significant speed regression until his last season


Not really disagreeing over your opinion , more it's a matter of degree tbh , it's obvious all athletes do decline , probably from around 25 onwards , but I believe recent Madden ratings have over done that


Having said that even applying a totally accurate regression arc universally wouldn't account for players individual situations , just provide a guide, so this type of discussion will never really go away

[mrprice33]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Wide Receivers

For sure. Without exact and precise measurements it's a guesstimate. As long as it's applied across the board I can live with it.


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