PES 2017 Demo Available on Xbox One, PS4, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

[Matt10]

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I'm sure it's programmed that way on purpose by Konami to create more end-to-end-action and "exciting" gameplay for casuals. Realistic midfield play/defending slows things down too much. I'm sure most players don't even think it's a problem seeing defenders sprint back to the edge of their own 18 yard box the instant their team loses possession, as long as the graphics look good on celebrations.

That's the balance the devs face, but at some point, when it starts feeling like charity because the CPU won't score - only then will it start to open some eyes. I'm trying to stay positive and blitzing my videos anywhere so to educate those who aren't aware of these issues yet. I'm hoping it reaches whoever it needs to, that will make an impact. The game is so flippin close, I'm considering, if it's not fixed, to go crazy and edit each individual gameplan for teams - just for the sake of having a proper match.

Last hope is really that ML/FL doesn't adhere to the rapid attack/defense levels, and is more in-tune with game situation. One can hope though .

[BL8001]

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If the squads are from May, what time do we think this game build is from?

You would think they would need it compiled at least a month before gamescom?

If that is the case this build would be around mid-june?

if a game goes gold about a month in advance then that is now basically.

So dev time between the demo build and full game would be a month? maybe a month and half possibly? Just trying to suss out if something like what Matt is noting could be fixed already.

Bhatti said on twitter no day 1 patch

[RoyceDa59]

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If the squads are from May, what time do we think this game build is from?

You would think they would need it compiled at least a month before gamescom?

If that is the case this build would be around mid-june?

if a game goes gold about a month in advance then that is now basically.

So dev time between the demo build and full game would be a month? maybe a month and half possibly? Just trying to suss out if something like what Matt is noting could be fixed already.

Bhatti said on twitter no day 1 patch

Possibly but I wouldn't count on it because is a balancing act developers take. Rectifying one issue could really break another one or even worse add in various other problems. It really comes down to is it game-breaking or destroying the fun factor for you. I honestly think the issue seems more tied to the Superstar difficulty level as with Top Player it doesn't really stand out as much.

I still think it is there is much to test, it is hard to say how the final game will address certain issues with the demo. There is still tactics and other features locked out the demo best we can do is enjoy what we have here and wait to give our final verdict for the retail version (if you plan to purchase it).

[BL8001]

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twitter claims of this being final build gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VksrCE7R8Zs

Matt, have a look, it's user vs user but perhaps the non user AI players will show if the issue is still present

The move the dev does at 14:24 with neymar, what is that move? I want to know how to do that.

[KG]

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Seriously, this game is so close. There needs to be a transition from Attack to Defense, not just an immediate ATTACK! and then DEFEND! Watch the video for an explanation:

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Matt....I know you don't like it BUT YOU HAVE to put the radar on in your positional videos. On that camera angle it's hard to see the entire pitch so you can't really tell if players are running back (I know they're not 75% of the time) to mark someone but it makes it easier to determine where players should be positionally.

As for the issue, it's a managers dream to have disciplined players who sprint back to their areas but yeah, it's not realistic. Even a walking animation would look better.

I've noticed that the end-to-end action is caused A LOT by my actions. One new stat that is really great is the "Ball Winning" stat. When playing vs Barca they will press high and try to win the ball back in your own 3rd where you're at the mercy of incredibly gifted players (physically, mentally, and with their technique). Atletico sits deeper allowing you possession but will close down in a hurry once you cross midfield.

I think at it's core it's programmed that way (like you & Royce alluded to) but tinkering with tactics (in the full game where they're turned on) and fluid formations to not make the midfield so open at times will help mitigate this issue (not fully solve it).

[Matt10]

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Matt....I know you don't like it BUT YOU HAVE to put the radar on in your positional videos. On that camera angle it's hard to see the entire pitch so you can't really tell if players are running back (I know they're not 75% of the time) to mark someone but it makes it easier to determine where players should be positionally.

As for the issue, it's a managers dream to have disciplined players who sprint back to their areas but yeah, it's not realistic. Even a walking animation would look better.

I've noticed that the end-to-end action is caused A LOT by my actions. One new stat that is really great is the "Ball Winning" stat. When playing vs Barca they will press high and try to win the ball back in your own 3rd where you're at the mercy of incredibly gifted players (physically, mentally, and with their technique). Atletico sits deeper allowing you possession but will close down in a hurry once you cross midfield.

I think at it's core it's programmed that way (like you & Royce alluded to) but tinkering with tactics (in the full game where they're turned on) and fluid formations to not make the midfield so open at times will help mitigate this issue (not fully solve it).

Do you mean the radar on in the replay? Because I do play with the radar on most of the time, and in that video? Sorry, just needing clarification on what needs to be best for the next video.

I love the tactics and the depth of them. Never disagreeing with their existence, if anything I want more levels (18yd box level, def 3rd level, midfield level, opp def 3rd, opp 18yd box, 6yd box?) for mentality, however that's not realistic for this PES 2017 demo, or full version.

I just want the act of the CPU running away from loose balls to go away. I want them to be hungry for them, and the remedy, simply, is either A) introducing a transition to green (medium level) or B) Modifying the intensity/adherence of each level, thus being reflective in the animations and overall attitude.

Option A, in theory, sounds ridiculously easy - which makes it that more frustrating. Imagine having just 1 more step to reach Heaven, but it isn't built yet, so you're stuck. That's what's going to happen to PES 17 if this isn't fixed, and yes - that analogy is whack .

[Matt10]

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twitter claims of this being final build gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VksrCE7R8Zs

Matt, have a look, it's user vs user but perhaps the non user AI players will show if the issue is still present

The move the dev does at 14:24 with neymar, what is that move? I want to know how to do that.

It's not bad because the att/def levels stay on green . You want to have a fun match, use any team and play against Flamengo. They stay in green the majority of the time, until 75+ minute. I would love to see the other teams play on green defense.

[therizing02]

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What settings are you guys using? I have passing at Level 1 support, Superstar, and game speed -1. Haven't won a game but I hardly feel cheated or cheesed.

Played against Barcelona as Arsenal a few times and was barely able to get a shot off playing 10min halves at Camp Nou. Felt legit though. i feel like if I had tactics available to counter the game might have played out differently.

Just curious what others are using.

[Battle4MY]

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What camera are you guys using? Dynamic wide with some custom settings is ok but I'd love the option to see the entire width of the the pitch.

Blimp is too far zoomed out and Fan Stand doesnt quite track the pace of the game correctly.

Not a huge fan of using the radar :/

[BL8001]

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I really enjoy this demo. I can't play any other older soccer/futbol game I own anymore. No point. They just are nowhere near as fun as this game is.

Took matt's advice and played flamengo.

I feel like the result was pretty much what it should be. Rain effects and what they did to gameplay were excellent. Made everything more sloppy.

Only wtf was I brutally slid tackled a dude in the box right after he shot. He goes down and grasps his ankle. No pk for them. But then I make a crunching illegal tackle in the 2nd half and pick up a delayed yellow. Took several game minutes to have it served and it almost seemed connected to the offending player being called offside.


Atletico v flamengo 1st half
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2nd half
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[papinho81]

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I really enjoy this demo. I can't play any other older soccer/futbol game I own anymore. No point. They just are nowhere near as fun as this game is.

Totally agree! Two days ago I felt impressed (again) by fifa 16 post patch 1.07 with my personal slider settings. After playing the PES17 demo there is no way I can go back to fifa 16 again! The two fifa games I had after playing the demo felt outdated (considering I spent a couple of days updating summer transfers using transfermarket website to start a new career). AI players movements and decisions in fifa felt so automatic/predictable compared to what PES17 demo is offering...
The gameplay of the demo is so fluid.
Nevertheless I do agree that player positioning when it comes to defense could be improved. The instantaneous defensive retreating attitude Matt is documenting very well and also the CB not meeting the ST well enough are really the only annoying things I see with the game.
Other than that the game is fantastic, keeper saves looks realistic and amazing at the same time, physicality and fouls are there.
I am really considering buying PES for the first time since the early 2000 and the PS1.

[ps3veron]

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Can someone please help me with the controls?

How do you do a bicycle kick or header? Say there's a corner kick into near the goal post and I wanna perform a header or something fancy?

In FIFA I recall you hold L2/LT then press the shoot button.

Thanks!

[nunogomes]

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Finnally played the demo last night, and something that didn´t happen since PES 11 happened this time: i actually played a game (demo in this case) for more than just a couple of hours.

I was so glued to the game i actually played at least one time with each team in the demo (10 min´s, Superstar difficulty).

The only thing im afraid now is finding something that ruins the game for me like the sure 100% goal we could score with R2 last year (the far post R2 shot inside the box). Fortunately this issue is completely fixed.

I had the same feeling with this demo that i had with NBA 2K16, it felt a simulaton, but it wasn´t a boring and sterile one.

But what definitely kept me playing well past a reasonable hour for someone who works in the next morning was the feeling that everything felt "random" (in a lack of a better word), the CPU plays with a purpose, they actually shoot from places you wouldn´t expect if they have no other options, and sometimes even if they do (the randomness factor)! You feel threatened when the CPU attacks, not bored, you feel in awe when CPU fools you with a play you weren´t expecting, it´s refreshening.

I could detail the positives forever, but to me it´s the overall experience that stands out like i Fifa 08 and Pes 11 once did. Both games were huge jumps in quality for me and games i played the entire year, something that never happened again to me with football games (either found terrible bugs or the games just flat out bored me).

The issues i have right now is deciding between default or -1 speed, although unlike last year, im inclined to default speed.

The other issue is of course the extreme mentality of attacking/defending Matt alerted for, although im 99% convinced it´s a tactics issue (if i had to bet, i would say turning off fluid formations solves this problem).

But the funny thing is, playing the game, i don´t feel this issue unless im thinking of it before it happens.

[nunogomes]

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Can someone please help me with the controls?

How do you do a bicycle kick or header? Say there's a corner kick into near the goal post and I wanna perform a header or something fancy?

In FIFA I recall you hold L2/LT then press the shoot button.

Thanks!

I believe it´s contextual, i don´t remember a button like that in PES, but im not 100% sure.

[Matt10]

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Finnally played the demo last night, and something that didn´t happen since PES 11 happened this time: i actually played a game (demo in this case) for more than just a couple of hours.

I was so glued to the game i actually played at least one time with each team in the demo (10 min´s, Superstar difficulty).

The only thing im afraid now is finding something that ruins the game for me like the sure 100% goal we could score with R2 last year (the far post R2 shot inside the box). Fortunately this issue is completely fixed.

I had the same feeling with this demo that i had with NBA 2K16, it felt a simulaton, but it wasn´t a boring and sterile one.

But what definitely kept me playing well past a reasonable hour for someone who works in the next morning was the feeling that everything felt "random" (in a lack of a better word), the CPU plays with a purpose, they actually shoot from places you wouldn´t expect if they have no other options, and sometimes even if they do (the randomness factor)! You feel threatened when the CPU attacks, not bored, you feel in awe when CPU fools you with a play you weren´t expecting, it´s refreshening.

I could detail the positives forever, but to me it´s the overall experience that stands out like i Fifa 08 and Pes 11 once did. Both games were huge jumps in quality for me and games i played the entire year, something that never happened again to me with football games (either found terrible bugs or the games just flat out bored me).

The issues i have right now is deciding between default or -1 speed, although unlike last year, im inclined to default speed.

The other issue is of course the extreme mentality of attacking/defending Matt alerted for, although im 99% convinced it´s a tactics issue (if i had to bet, i would say turning off fluid formations solves this problem).

But the funny thing is, playing the game, i don´t feel this issue unless im thinking of it before it happens.

So glad to hear your thoughts, Nuno. It's weird hearing you go into detail on the feel of matches as you are usually provide a skeptical analysis, I have to get used to this

Regarding the Attack/Defend, it's getting its shares on Twitter. I made it that very short video so it can illustrate the simplicity of the fix. I too believe it can be fixed with fluid formations off, or even some of the other advanced tactics set to on. I think there will be some "grunt work" at the beginning to edit each team if it isn't fixed. One comment I received on the YouTube video was that this is the demo and it could be playing with that mentality because the demo is limited in its tactics. Each team does not have their full capabilities enabled yet.

I hope that's the case, so I definitely am still optimistic. This game is so good, even if the att/def is not fixed, it will be worth it ,on feel alone, to dedicate hours on finding a remedy.