PES 2017 Demo Available on Xbox One, PS4, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

[Gnemi]

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Definitely...read your line about last years demo. I did the same thing. I think I may have given it 4 minutes before deleting it. EA takes notes.....from the EA discussion boards. It will never be a SIM experience. It's all about Ultimate Team and online play...period. Any other discussion is to ensure not to alienate or ignore a small portion of their customer base. It seems that PES has finally started to realize what made them a viable option...gameplay. I kind of thought they went away from that for a long time. It's like they were seeing what was drawing people to FIFA and they tried to compete in that space, weren't able to do it, and finally went back to their roots and what they have always done best.

Looking forward to this one coming out. What level are you playing on?

Oh, good question, I was playing on Top Player.

[Matt10]

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Enjoying this demo a lot. Streaming right now if you guys are bored

https://gaming.youtube.com/user/Matt10L/live

[RoyceDa59]

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Enjoying this demo a lot. Streaming right now if you guys are bored

https://gaming.youtube.com/user/Matt10L/live

Could this mean the return of Lam Matteo....

[lnin0]

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This seems to be a very common complaint from xbox owners, about the graphics, and it definitely sucks. I remember that when i changed from PS3 to Xbox i had the opposite feeling in multi platform games, they used to look better in Xbox, less jaggies. Guess that´s not the case here.

It is not all games or developers but Konomi and PES are consistantly worse on Microsofts platform which is shame if PES turned out good this year.

[KG]

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Do you mean the radar on in the replay? Because I do play with the radar on most of the time, and in that video? Sorry, just needing clarification on what needs to be best for the next video.

I love the tactics and the depth of them. Never disagreeing with their existence, if anything I want more levels (18yd box level, def 3rd level, midfield level, opp def 3rd, opp 18yd box, 6yd box?) for mentality, however that's not realistic for this PES 2017 demo, or full version.

I just want the act of the CPU running away from loose balls to go away. I want them to be hungry for them, and the remedy, simply, is either A) introducing a transition to green (medium level) or B) Modifying the intensity/adherence of each level, thus being reflective in the animations and overall attitude.

Option A, in theory, sounds ridiculously easy - which makes it that more frustrating. Imagine having just 1 more step to reach Heaven, but it isn't built yet, so you're stuck. That's what's going to happen to PES 17 if this isn't fixed, and yes - that analogy is whack .

I just re-watched it and tbh, I got it confused with you talking about how you turn the directional arrow for FKs/Corners/PKs.

I agree 100% about the need for a transition arrow. I'm thinking a gradient color arrow scale. It could even reflect in a new rating (workrate) and tie into the Track Back Player Skill.

What settings are you guys using? I have passing at Level 1 support, Superstar, and game speed -1. Haven't won a game but I hardly feel cheated or cheesed.

Played against Barcelona as Arsenal a few times and was barely able to get a shot off playing 10min halves at Camp Nou. Felt legit though. i feel like if I had tactics available to counter the game might have played out differently.

Just curious what others are using.

I'm mostly tinkering trying to find the set so I can hit the ground running when the game starts but I've settled on

Top Player
No Pass Assistance (I think passing on Default 1 is VERY assisted)
Game Speed -1 with the odd Normal Speed game so the jump online vs buddies isn't huge

I've had a good mix of games with varying results. Dominated Atletico with Arsenal putting 3 past them. So far their favorite team to use (Brahvado is gonna kill me for this lol) is Arsenal. In terms of different type of players in PES they have everything.

Aerial/Back to goal CF - Giroud

Pace on the outside with Bellerin and Nacho running all day

Ramsey sitting deep with Coq - just shooting from distance with Ramsey and playing diagonals

Sanchez just having incredible change of direction and acceleration

Ozil just pulling the strings. Just in real life that right foot is only for standing but that left foot is crazy. Outside of the boot passes, little deft touches, he's just represented very well in PES.

What camera are you guys using? Dynamic wide with some custom settings is ok but I'd love the option to see the entire width of the the pitch.

Blimp is too far zoomed out and Fan Stand doesnt quite track the pace of the game correctly.

Not a huge fan of using the radar :/

I usually just play on Dynamic Wide or Field Side but the last match I played on Player and it was a lot of fun. It's funny how a different camera angle can make like your playing a different game. I don't know if I could use it as my main camera but for a change of pace it's good. It's close up so you can every player apart visually. The players are bigger on screen so dribbling 1v1 is easier. You can actually get your shoulders in front of guys and dribble directly in front of them like Hazard. It also forces you to use the radar and trust your teammates. You'll have a split second to look at the radar before a cross BUT the camera flips A LOT so it could get disorienting quickly.

Don´t expect much in the commentary department, it´s probably very similar to last year and it was only passable last year.

FIFA is miles ahead on that aspect.

But the gameplay really makes up for it.

Without hearing the commentary on the retail I'd def agree. I'm not a huge Drury fan. I like his voice but can do without all the screaming but then again I love Jon Champion but admit his long pauses aren't for video games.

All you need to do to understand how long it's been since PES was a viable option is to look at the start dates of most of the members posting in this thread...lol!

Damn...it's like OS circa 03-08!

It really is...You, Therising....El Prez,. QB!...What;s up Qbert! Matt10..It's good to have a lot of the the vets still checking in. With the vets and a lot of the new guys the PES forum has grown since the old days.

If KG likes it, I guess I have to buy it.

My man Prez! We're working on some impressions now.

I have to drum up that goal you scored on your PES 2011 OTP debut! Blax and I still talk about it to this day lol!

[elprez98]

PES 2017 Demo Available on Xbox One, PS4, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

I just re-watched it and tbh, I got it confused with you talking about how you turn the directional arrow for FKs/Corners/PKs.



I agree 100% about the need for a transition arrow. I'm thinking a gradient color arrow scale. It could even reflect in a new rating (workrate) and tie into the Track Back Player Skill.







I'm mostly tinkering trying to find the set so I can hit the ground running when the game starts but I've settled on



Top Player

No Pass Assistance (I think passing on Default 1 is VERY assisted)

Game Speed -1 with the odd Normal Speed game so the jump online vs buddies isn't huge



I've had a good mix of games with varying results. Dominated Atletico with Arsenal putting 3 past them. So far their favorite team to use (Brahvado is gonna kill me for this lol) is Arsenal. In terms of different type of players in PES they have everything.



Aerial/Back to goal CF - Giroud



Pace on the outside with Bellerin and Nacho running all day



Ramsey sitting deep with Coq - just shooting from distance with Ramsey and playing diagonals



Sanchez just having incredible change of direction and acceleration



Ozil just pulling the strings. Just in real life that right foot is only for standing but that left foot is crazy. Outside of the boot passes, little deft touches, he's just represented very well in PES.







I usually just play on Dynamic Wide or Field Side but the last match I played on Player and it was a lot of fun. It's funny how a different camera angle can make like your playing a different game. I don't know if I could use it as my main camera but for a change of pace it's good. It's close up so you can every player apart visually. The players are bigger on screen so dribbling 1v1 is easier. You can actually get your shoulders in front of guys and dribble directly in front of them like Hazard. It also forces you to use the radar and trust your teammates. You'll have a split second to look at the radar before a cross BUT the camera flips A LOT so it could get disorienting quickly.









Without hearing the commentary on the retail I'd def agree. I'm not a huge Drury fan. I like his voice but can do without all the screaming but then again I love Jon Champion but admit his long pauses aren't for video games.







It really is...You, Therising....El Prez,. QB!...What;s up Qbert! Matt10..It's good to have a lot of the the vets still checking in. With the vets and a lot of the new guys the PES forum has grown since the old days.







My man Prez! We're working on some impressions now.



I have to drum up that goal you scored on your PES 2011 OTP debut! Blax and I still talk about it to this day lol!

Lol. That was the beginning of the end of my gaming. A last hurrah. However, babies are getting old enough so I can show up every now and then on here.

Anyway, I played a couple of Arsenal v. Atletico today and I'm leaning towards only buying PES this year. The game is wonderful in my book. For all of its flaws I enjoyed 2016 and this is worth the purchase just because fouls see nice.

This will probably be a Day 1 purchase for me.

[J-Unit40]

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Camera Settings:

Field Side (custom)

Zoom 1
Height 0
Angle 10

Most fun I've had with a demo since one of the NCAA Football demos from 7 or 8 years ago.

[Matt10]

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I think Professional difficulty is the way to go for the Demo. Already seen the CPU properly use the Attack/Def levels. They are changing their gameplan of those levels depending on who they face. I think the higher difficulties are too sensitive to those levels, which is why they appear so manic and hyperactive to switch to them.

On Pro difficulty, the CPU actually plays the right way, relevant to the Att/Def levels. And no, it's not very easy to beat them because they are not giving up their spaces like they do on Top Player and Superstar. A press is a proper press where the players step into their zones, relevant to where the ball is, and then pounce on the player, but not to the point they swarm with 3:1.

Playing right now.

https://gaming.youtube.com/user/Matt10L/live

[ps3veron]

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The only 2 things that are making me question buying this are:

1) Licsences: I hear they don't even have Bayern this year!
2) Transfer updates, Konami are notorious for not being prompt.

Other than that I wouldn't even consider that other game as an option.

[nunogomes]

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I have not been familiar with PES universe for more than ten years now. Last years how close the demo was from the released game when it comes to gameplay? Does Konami release screwing patch a la EA along the year?

If the gameplay stay close (improved if possible) from where it is, this game is a day one purchase for me this year.

No, for the better and the worse, Konami doesn´t really alter gameplay in the same game, usually they only do it on next years version.

The good things stay, along with the bad ones.

Camera Settings:

Field Side (custom)

Zoom 1
Height 0
Angle 10

Most fun I've had with a demo since one of the NCAA Football demos from 7 or 8 years ago.

The angle at 10 is definitely a must in all horizontal cameras.

I think Professional difficulty is the way to go for the Demo. Already seen the CPU properly use the Attack/Def levels. They are changing their gameplan of those levels depending on who they face. I think the higher difficulties are too sensitive to those levels, which is why they appear so manic and hyperactive to switch to them.

On Pro difficulty, the CPU actually plays the right way, relevant to the Att/Def levels. And no, it's not very easy to beat them because they are not giving up their spaces like they do on Top Player and Superstar. A press is a proper press where the players step into their zones, relevant to where the ball is, and then pounce on the player, but not to the point they swarm with 3:1.

Playing right now.

https://gaming.youtube.com/user/Matt10L/live

Couldn´t catch your streaming, but the feeling i have on the Pro difficulty is this:

If you play with 0 pass assistance and manual through balls you will still get a very decent challenge on offense, the CPU defense still plays well organized, covers spaces and you can´t exploit the through ball on manual.

However, altough the CPU also plays well on offense, i can´t feel that "danger" feeling in their offense (something i hated in FIFA).

So, for now it´s still top player for me BUT with the full game and the hability to fully alter teams gameplan maybe the PRO difficulty can get that feeling on offense too.

One thing i remembered yesterday was that in PES 16 there was a setting of number of players on offense and defense. I believe it was "Many", "Normal" and "Few", both on offense and defense. One of the things that can also cause these attack/defense mentality on higher levels is the teams having "Many" both on offense and defence.

[Matt10]

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No, for the better and the worse, Konami doesn´t really alter gameplay in the same game, usually they only do it on next years version.

The good things stay, along with the bad ones.



The angle at 10 is definitely a must in all horizontal cameras.



Couldn´t catch your streaming, but the feeling i have on the Pro difficulty is this:

If you play with 0 pass assistance and manual through balls you will still get a very decent challenge on offense, the CPU defense still plays well organized, covers spaces and you can´t exploit the through ball on manual.

However, altough the CPU also plays well on offense, i can´t feel that "danger" feeling in their offense (something i hated in FIFA).

So, for now it´s still top player for me BUT with the full game and the hability to fully alter teams gameplan maybe the PRO difficulty can get that feeling on offense too.

One thing i remembered yesterday was that in PES 16 there was a setting of number of players on offense and defense. I believe it was "Many", "Normal" and "Few", both on offense and defense. One of the things that can also cause these attack/defense mentality on higher levels is the teams having "Many" both on offense and defence.

I believe that's been changed now, hasn't it - possibly to the "support" scale?

Yeah, there are times when the CPU falters on Pro. This is a good and bad thing, because it's less about frantic defending, and more about maintaining shape. You know it's the right difficulty when the CPU:

- Forces passes, gets deflected
- Multiple deflections in a row
- Poor long balls and through balls
- Clearing the ball
- Passing the ball backwards, including to the GK
- Moving ball from side to side vs Forward-Forward
- Att Level reacts to the flow of the match, regardless of minute (usually on higher levels, the only increase/decrease in levels is 70+ minute)

Defense
- Maintaining shape
- More standing fouls
- Moving up in press relative to ball's position

The most noticeable with Pro difficulty, is that the CPU's attack is just more controlled. You can see they are actually "thinking" behind their build up, and not just blindly passing. I agree though, wish there was a bit more of a killer instinct.

Overall, I still wish there was better shape through the midfield, on all difficulties (Pro thru Superstar). Bypassing the midfield is enemy #1, and I still believe that's a product of the lack of transition level.

[fearwhatnow]

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I'll be again very harsh with the game. This is not an accurate representation of the sport of football.
- No AI build up at all.
- End-to-end football, it's like watching 10yrs old children playing in the park.
- Fouls are improved but still refs are way too inconsistent.
- GKs animations are still a joke. In many occasions their diving animation is too slow.
- Back and forth runs by players are ridiculous. It's like watching some cartoon where someone suddenly accelerates and disappears in a second.
- AI doesn't go with the obvious/logical passing decisions on the offensive end.

[BSDShoes]

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AI no buildup? Looks like they do it in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mND7NFQM9dw ("Estrela" in that video is super star.)

What difficulty you using?

[RoyceDa59]

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Crazy scramble around the goal in a Germany vs France match.

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[BL8001]

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What I feel is going on, and why some of us may be having different experiences with the demo, the game is following your lead.

If you come out and push forward and play quick the CPU will do likewise. If you play patient the cpu will calm down on both O and D.

Rarely IRL do you see one team going nuts while the other team plays slow. It's human nature to mimic.

This gives each match a proper rhythm in my opinion. If I push up quick and make a hole behind me and turn the ball over, the cpu looks to counter and hit back quick. But if I am slow and everyone behind me keeps shape then once I lose the ball the CPU is much more apt to just play up slow as well.

One other thing is I have been spending a lot of time in the demo ridding myself of some fifa habits. The AI toe poke is so lethal in FIFA that I always pass before they are near me. PES behaves differently and you can almost welcome contact at times.

This fifa habit was causing me to never get fouled by the AI. Once I realized letting the defender hang around me wasn't automatically giving up possession I have been drawing more fouls.

Is the demo perfect? Hell no. But as far as playing AI in a futbol game goes it's the best I have ever seen. It's the sheer amount of believable non-cheaty but amazing things the CPU does that is incredible, coupled with pulling off wonderful looking things myself.

Big fan of how the game auto curves balls for you. Say you have a simple 20m cross field pass but the defender is stepping up slightly, instead of going from point A directly to point B, the player will sensibly put a small amount of spin on the ball to curve it properly to the target. It's a small thing but it looks so good. You forget about it after awhile because it's what should happen. I went back to FIFA 16 today and boy did I miss that simple thing.