PES 2017 Demo Available on Xbox One, PS4, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

[BL8001]

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What is so great is watching people play the cpu is very much like watching two people who understand the sport playing each other.

The cpu makes very human like choices, good and bad.

They play surprising passes and crosses and don't go the 100% safe route. It's the "there may be a window" and risky attempts here and there that really make this demo (and hopefully the full game) outstanding.

[RoyceDa59]

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What is so great is watching people play the cpu is very much like watching two people who understand the sport playing each other.

The cpu makes very human like choices, good and bad.

They play surprising passes and crosses and don't go the 100% safe route. It's the "there may be a window" and risky attempts here and there that really make this demo (and hopefully the full game) outstanding.

Man it is back to where every match is different and you never know what to expect no goal is ever the same and it is good to say that again.

[Matt10]

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Goodness though, guys. The space between the defensive line and attackers is starting to get to me. Defenders, including CB's, go past the halfway line IRL, they do not attack and defend at the same time - yet this is what happens in PES 17 demo.

From a positional standpoint, I'm a bit tired of the demo. From pure enjoyment of the ball physics, and player interactions, it makes me want to play more. In the end, I think it's time to put it down and just wait for the full version in a couple weeks.

[C.J.S.]

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Goodness though, guys. The space between the defensive line and attackers is starting to get to me. Defenders, including CB's, go past the halfway line IRL, they do not attack and defend at the same time - yet this is what happens in PES 17 demo.

From a positional standpoint, I'm a bit tired of the demo. From pure enjoyment of the ball physics, and player interactions, it makes me want to play more. In the end, I think it's time to put it down and just wait for the full version in a couple weeks.

the CPU?
play on professional difficulty and see if it happens
maybe it's just demo stuff that will get fixed in full game

[Matt10]

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the CPU?
play on professional difficulty and see if it happens
maybe it's just demo stuff that will get fixed in full game

Yea, I've been playing professional for a while now. Had a big write up about it as well

It's not just demo, it's the issue stemming over from PES 2016. I'll have a video on this. Stay tuned

[dubcity]

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Are CPU teams who play long ball still broken? Last year they were easy to beat (regardless of the team talent level) because there was never a strategy to it, they would just hit it forward whenever they gained possession, resulting in an average pass accuracy of like 60%. Would have worked as a late game strategy down a goal, but it was a game breaker when the CPU played it as their default strategy the whole match.

[C.J.S.]

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Are CPU teams who play long ball still broken? Last year they were easy to beat (regardless of the team talent level) because there was never a strategy to it, they would just hit it forward whenever they gained possession, resulting in an average pass accuracy of like 60%. Would have worked as a late game strategy down a goal, but it was a game breaker when the CPU played it as their default strategy the whole match.

i haven't seen this in 2017 demo

[Matt10]

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Yea, I've been playing professional for a while now. Had a big write up about it as well

It's not just demo, it's the issue stemming over from PES 2016. I'll have a video on this. Stay tuned

Here's the video:

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[Battle4MY]

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Great video Mat. Excellent points.

[Ac3way]

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Play real football, there you see all kind of weird stuff and even watching top level football from tv. 🙂

I get what your saying and agree what you are showing, but i think overall game runs great from pointview of hardcore football fan. There is improvement to made, but looking for errors is bit pointless when we have probably best football game ever made. Of course not everyone has to like game, but i suggest to try enjoying PES 2017 even from it flaws.

My pointview comes from full manual controls and superstar difficulty. I havent even trying top player or professional difficulty at demo.

Edit. I liked to read that post from you about professional difficulty, can you show where is it?

[Matt10]

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Great video Mat. Excellent points.

Thanks, man!

Play real football, there you see all kind of weird stuff and even watching top level football from tv. 🙂

I get what your saying and agree what you are showing, but i think overall game runs great from pointview of hardcore football fan. There is improvement to made, but looking for errors is bit pointless when we have probably best football game ever made. Of course not everyone has to like game, but i suggest to try enjoying PES 2017 even from it flaws.

My pointview comes from full manual controls and superstar difficulty. I havent even trying top player or professional difficulty at demo.

Edit. I liked to read that post from you about professional difficulty, can you show where is it?

I do play real football, have played for years in high school, college and pro. No defender I ever met would attack that way. As an attacker, you make your decision based on what the attacking defenders are doing. You do not expect to be draped in coverage, even when the opponent has the ball and is controlling possession - it's illogical.

I'm not sure what deems "hardcore" football fan, but in my opinion - every element should be covered to be completely hard core. This positioning is far from football, let alone hardcore football. When has a DMF ever stayed that far back...in the attack...just so they can catch the lone striker on transition...when it's inside 20 minutes of a match. Please.

I love this demo, love where we're headed, but I'm not going to be in denial of it's faults. That's how they get better, just like anything in this world.

Here's the link to my professional difficulty thoughts: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...&postcount=149

[elprez98]

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Here's the video:



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I don't know Matt.

I was playing quite a bit the other day and I've seen a CDM inside the 18, when I was already losing 2 or 3 to nil.

As a matter of fact, the video I posted earlier clearly has Busquets "Zidaning" me in the box along with Alves attacking on the wing, and ending the move with pass to Suarez for an easy finish.

[Matt10]

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I don't know Matt.

I was playing quite a bit the other day and I've seen a CDM inside the 18, when I was already losing 2 or 3 to nil.

As a matter of fact, the video I posted earlier clearly has Busquets "Zidaning" me in the box along with Alves attacking on the wing, and ending the move with pass to Suarez for an easy finish.

This is a consistent issue that stems from PES 16, it's not a one off or team specific. It happens for every team. The reason there is so much space, and the reason the CPU loves to pass the ball forward - and straight to an attacker - is because the defense isn't actually playing a zone. They're not playing a zone properly because they didn't attack properly in the first place. They never left their man in the attack, but they left him in the defense. Don't you see? It's a flaw in the system and understanding. I fear it's teaching people that this is how teams actually play IRL. The defense dictates what the attackers do, not the other way around.

[Ac3way]

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It' hard or almost unpossible to get all things right at football game. There is development to made at more dynamic positioning and attacking/defending. But it's not just fixing one thing, there is so many elements and little details to that. After that there is 95% players who dont understand football tactics and little details or dosent even want to know that kind things at videogame.

Also console power are at almost there limit. PES has been with FOX-engine much about tactics, rather than AI. Perhaps with new consoles like PS4 Neo we will see Konami take even more development to AI and even more fluid gameplay from AI. More organic and humanlike, there is the future for PES and Konami.

[JimmyDeicide]

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Matt is dead right , its hard coded into the players. Its either off or on doesn't seem to be any in between.
I never purchased 16 because of what i used to think was terrible defensive AI around the box where a defender would just ignore the threat and completely run away from you but you can see now it was probably just a change of possession and they where either hitting the defensive mindset or the attack mind set.
There needs to be an in between where they can recognize the immediate threat around them and react to that not where they should be positionaly..

If they can compress the field here the game would be epic.
Tell me this game right now isn't screaming for Fifa line settings.
I dont think changing player stats is going to fix it.

It will be interesting to see how the defense reacts if your tactic is gegen press.
What makes it more niggling right now is because when there is a break down in play and players are caught inbetween the AI is so good they see openings right away and will ping long ball over the top its really awesome to watch but we dont see it enough cos teams are always playing 3 sweepers if anyone remembers what they where Konami do.