Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

[Junior Moe]

A player's likeness is much, much more than a person's name. It contains but is not limited to name, hometown, height, weight, handiness.

There is no coincidence when you create an African-American quarterback from Gainesville, FLA, that is 6'3/215 lbs, throws right handed that is in his junior year at Clemson.


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The thing that I'm still confused about is exactly how different from the actual player does it have to be to not have a "likeness" claim. The stuff you quoted is a dead ringer for Watson. That's blatant and no coincidence. But say if the QB was 6'5", 220, black and right handed. From Atlanta Ga, and numbered 14. But he was still rated pretty good. I don't think it would but I don't know.

[GlennN]

I agree with others here - I would be fine with a fully generic roster, as long as the schools were actual ones. I believe as long as the rosters were generic and random (and not capable of being edited), there would be little legal issue with player likeness liability. As others have said, there are generic players shortly into a college dynasty anyway. There would still be the need to license each school however.

[OReilly10]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

It is encouraging that there is at least some chatter and an apparent willingness of EA execs to make an NCAA release in the future.

I guess it is also encouraging that once the legal parameters and framework is created, it will likely lead to an NCAA Hoops game as well.

We will see. It seems fairly "dead" now. I can see things progressing quicker than my pessimistic side thinks.

[Herky]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

You mean like NCAA already was? How did that turn out for them?


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They don't have to make guys seem like the real player out of that box. That's what got them into trouble. Just randomize everyone. 2K8 College Hoops was like that.

[SIR924]

Would be nice to have NCAA back! License should not be hard to get, just make sure rosters are generic and let us customize them. I'm sure a third party company would do rosters like now for NCAA 14.

[redsox4evur]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

The thing that I'm still confused about is exactly how different from the actual player does it have to be to not have a "likeness" claim. The stuff you quoted is a dead ringer for Watson. That's blatant and no coincidence. But say if the QB was 6'5", 220, black and right handed. From Atlanta Ga, and numbered 14. But he was still rated pretty good. I don't think it would but I don't know.

Yea that would be fine, I think. But the stuff I listed wouldn't because as you said dead ringer for Watson.


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[jsr862]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

I never understood from day one... They spent x amount of hours on creating a realistic roster.... why not flip it and just take x amount of hours to make sure that no one is close to the real player for that year. Its just a vice versa and same amount of time goes into it..

and wouldnt hurt to put a disclaimer at the start of the game stating all generic players, something like MLB the show does with seizures

[tessl]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

I'm curious as to why you say "a game with generic rosters would still not be a legally viable option..." If there is no player-likeness concern, a player cannot then claim, "you are using my likeness without my consent." I agree that EA specifically may not want to pursue a game with fake players (they'll claim that authenticity matters) but that's not the same as EA failing to pursue it because of concerns over liability.

I think we are at least five years away from another game, if it ever did return. The NCAA will never allow players to be paid. They've relented a bit on additional stipends for living costs, but that is as far as the NCAA will ever go. The organization will have to collapse in on itself before that ever changes. If for whatever reason EA refuses to make another game until players are able to paid/commercialized, then we simply won't see another NCAA licensed football game again.

I think the bigger concern is in regards to further conference and school autonomy. It was easier to license the bulk of the schools in the past because they all operated under one essential umbrella. Granted the rising cost of the NCAA license was a concern, largely why 2K dropped out of the market altogether, but in the present and into the future, any game developer will have to negotiate terms with a much larger number of organizations. It remains to be seen how willing all those separate schools and conferences are to get back into this field, even if it means additional revenue.

I think a game with generic rosters would be fine; I personally never bought the game for the players. However, a game with generic teams would likely never cover the cost of doing business. There simply isn't much appealing about a game with ~130 no-name schools. Even with editors out the wazoo, I just couldn't see a game in that nature selling.

I agree and I believe a game with licensed schools and generic rosters would sell a lot of copies. Maybe when all the appeals are finished and everybody is clear as to where they stand legally there will be some movement.

[BROman]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

Generic may sell, but legends would sell better IMO. I don't know why EA wouldn't make use of their NFLPA license, put pro guys on their former college teams, and fill the rest w/ generics like 2k? 90 player rosters & a max of 20 legends on each team (make them all 5th year seniors for dynasty mode, some schools would have a lot less of course, like Sun Belt teams) would still allow for editing possibilities. and the guy(s) on the cover would actually be in the game too. They'd have ultimate team possibilities too, and you know how EA loves that mode.

[MakaveliLPC]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

Right. Couldn't they just make a game where out of the box, they have the schools' best players that have been drafted in the NFL on the teams. But keep it fully customizable so that the community can do their thing w the rosters

[Hooe]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

They don't have to make guys seem like the real player out of that box. That's what got them into trouble. Just randomize everyone. 2K8 College Hoops was like that.

College Hoops 2K8 absolutely did not have randomized players. It had approximate likenesses, just like every other modern college sports video game. I definitely played games with UVA PG #44 (Sean Singletary) and my Virginia Cavaliers against the CPU North Carolina Tar Heels led by PF #50 (Tyler Hansbrough).

[Hooe]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

Generic may sell, but legends would sell better IMO. I don't know why EA wouldn't make use of their NFLPA license, put pro guys on their former college teams, and fill the rest w/ generics like 2k? 90 player rosters & a max of 20 legends on each team (make them all 5th year seniors for dynasty mode, some schools would have a lot less of course, like Sun Belt teams) would still allow for editing possibilities. and the guy(s) on the cover would actually be in the game too. They'd have ultimate team possibilities too, and you know how EA loves that mode.

The NFLPA license does not cover retired players. It only covers active players. Legends who appear in Ultimate Team and Draft Champions are licensed individually.

That doesn't necessarily prevent the idea of a "college legends" game - in fact, thinking about it now I'm kinda surprised EA hasn't released a standalone NCAA Football Ultimate Team game - but it makes it more complicated.

[psukylen]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

The following of this game is incredible. We are dedicated. I miss turning small schools into powerhouses. Madden franchise doesn't fulfill this void.

Still have college hoops 2k8. I would rock out with Hibbert and GTwn. That was a classic. My two favorite games. NCAA football #1 though.

[fballturkey]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

The NFLPA license does not cover retired players. It only covers active players. Legends who appear in Ultimate Team and Draft Champions are licensed individually.

That doesn't necessarily prevent the idea of a "college legends" game - in fact, thinking about it now I'm kinda surprised EA hasn't released a standalone NCAA Football Ultimate Team game - but it makes it more complicated.

I think it would go over a lot better than generic rosters though, if they could get the individual licenses for not too much money. You'd think you'd be able to go back through a programs last 10-20 years and find at least enough guys that played and maybe didn't make the NFL but fans of the school would know them to cheaply fill out the rosters beside the legends like Moss, Rice, etc that you might have to open the check book for a bit.

[smoove7]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

Rex Dickson stated in a live stream on 9/2/16 when asked about NCAA returning, "It won't be anytime soon, it will be years".

As I sit here watching different college games and playing Madden today, I feel a void that Madden cannot fill. That void is NCAA 17.