I only played 1 game with the patch and that was with kaz sliders. I posted the results on his thread. I'm gonna do 8 games with his sliders and then do 8 games with these sliders and see which 1s work out better. Some were saying these were better for them and I'll still work on them I just need to know what you like about these and what you don't as well as what you like about Kaz sliders and what you don't