Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

[dickey1331]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

It sucks NCAA isn't coming back anytime soon. Definitely my favorite sports franchise. I just wish I could play the last version on PS4 but I feel like too much time has gone by.


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[tessl]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

I agree with others here - I would be fine with a fully generic roster, as long as the schools were actual ones. I believe as long as the rosters were generic and random (and not capable of being edited), there would be little legal issue with player likeness liability. As others have said, there are generic players shortly into a college dynasty anyway. There would still be the need to license each school however.

I agree and it would sell a lot of copies. It would take the lawyers at EA meeting with the lawyers at the NCAA to reach an agreement.

[videlsports]

Generic Rosters actuall schools with last name commentary. As long as we are allowed to edit. The company should not get into trouble. There is another company making a college football game though. IMV Gaming. But as far a EA series I hope it comes back as well

[BROman]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

The NFLPA license does not cover retired players. It only covers active players. Legends who appear in Ultimate Team and Draft Champions are licensed individually.

Well aware, I was talking about active players.

[The JareBear]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

Honestly, I can't think of a more exciting prospect for me, gaming wise, than playing a new NCAA football game on current gen consoles. That would be as close to heaven as I could get here on Earth.

Please, please, please

(just speaking strictly from a gaming standpoint)

[drugsbunny]

I feel that too much emphasis is placed on "authenticity" and not enough on fun factor. Truth be told, I only play college football for the fun of taking a small school and boosting stats of my players and being a cinderella story. I honestly don't have a favorite college team. I just love the sport. Why does a college game have to have authentic teams and such. I don't mind having fake college teams with a formulated college atmosphere. There are a host of small division 2 and/or 3 teams that would move units. School building would be great. You know, start with a small program and build it up. There was an attempt to have a college game featuring HBCU's (historically black colleges and Universities) that failed due to miserable gameplay. We don't have to be held prisoner by the big bad D-1 machine. Especially when washed up failures like Ed O'cannon feel the need to be relevent again by not getting chosen so they leave and take the ball with them.

[ODogg]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

EA just needs to completely randomize rosters, allow roster editing and roster share from peer to peer via save file (not via EA) and they'd be exempt from any legal repercussions and us gamers could have what we desire.


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[The JareBear]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

EA just needs to completely randomize rosters, allow roster editing and roster share from peer to peer via save file (not via EA) and they'd be exempt from any legal repercussions and us gamers could have what we desire.


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Would they be able to have real team names? Like Alabama Crimson Tide, or would everything need to be random/generic/customizable

I ask because I am ignorant as to the full ramifications of the O'Bannon case and all that

[ODogg]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

Would they be able to have real team names? Like Alabama Crimson Tide, or would everything need to be random/generic/customizable

I ask because I am ignorant as to the full ramifications of the O'Bannon case and all that

If they can get the NCAA on board. If not I doubt they'd make a game at all. The days of having "South Bend" instead of "Notre Dame" have passed as consumers won't tolerate that I don't think, too used to the real schools.

As for not having the real players or names, I don't believe most folks in the general public ever knew or cared about it. Most people who I spoke to at video game stores on NCAA release days didn't even know you could get named rosters.

[Junior Moe]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

Would they be able to have real team names? Like Alabama Crimson Tide, or would everything need to be random/generic/customizable

I ask because I am ignorant as to the full ramifications of the O'Bannon case and all that

The schools and NCAA are still totally free to license with whomever they please. The hangup was/is the player avatars and how much they resemble real current athletes. Take that out the equation with generic rosters and problem solved. Just look at how NBA 2K has done it. There isn't a collegiate player on any of the licensed college teams (Kansas, Texas, etc.) in the game who could make a likeness claim. They took extra measures to ensure that the players were "generic", even numbered them numerically. College sports has always been about the schools, conferences and NCAA to me. Not necessarily the players. I honestly don't care about players getting paid or whatever. That's for the courts. Just give me a football game with my Georgia Bulldogs and let me play in the SEC against Florida. I'd even be fine with not being able to download or roster share roster files. Whatever is necessarily to keep the lawyers off the game producers, NCAA and schools.

[tessl]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

The schools and NCAA are still totally free to license with whomever they please. The hangup was/is the player avatars and how much they resemble real current athletes. Take that out the equation with generic rosters and problem solved. Just look at how NBA 2K has done it. There isn't a collegiate player on any of the licensed college teams (Kansas, Texas, etc.) in the game who could make a likeness claim. They took extra measures to ensure that the players were "generic", even numbered them numerically. College sports has always been about the schools, conferences and NCAA to me. Not necessarily the players. I honestly don't care about players getting paid or whatever. That's for the courts. Just give me a football game with my Georgia Bulldogs and let me play in the SEC against Florida. I'd even be fine with not being able to download or roster share roster files. Whatever is necessarily to keep the lawyers off the game producers, NCAA and schools.

My free advice to EA would be to get their lawyers together with the NCAA lawyers and request clarification in advance of making a game from the courts on what would pass legal muster. That way no surprises.

Show the judge(s) in advance the algorithm used to generate player likenesses and names. Get clarification on the amount of editing allowed. Get everything cleared in advance to avoid a lawsuit. The courts need to more than just issue edicts to be followed. The courts need to be partners in moving things forward to achieve a solution.

[BROman]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

If they can get the NCAA on board. If not I doubt they'd make a game at all. The days of having "South Bend" instead of "Notre Dame" have passed as consumers won't tolerate that I don't think, too used to the real schools.

EA doesn't need the NCAA; EA needs licensing from the schools, conferences, bowls, the CFP, etc. which doesn't come w/ an NCAA license. EA made games w/o the NCAA before (Bill Walsh 95, Coach K CBB, CFUSA '96 & '97) & were prepared to do so again before schools and conferences pulled out of CFB '15. If the schools and conferences hadn't pulled out, EA would still be making a CFB game. School licensing for 2K does provide some hope that we'll get CFB back sooner rather than later.

[TimLawNYC]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

My free advice to EA would be to get their lawyers together with the NCAA lawyers and request clarification in advance of making a game from the courts on what would pass legal muster. That way no surprises.

Show the judge(s) in advance the algorithm used to generate player likenesses and names. Get clarification on the amount of editing allowed. Get everything cleared in advance to avoid a lawsuit. The courts need to more than just issue edicts to be followed. The courts need to be partners in moving things forward to achieve a solution.

EA can't just work with the courts to make this happen; courts don't work that way. The type of preliminary approval you're talking about would require EA to actually bring its own lawsuit for a declaratory judgment that it isn't using any player's likeness, but there would be a whole host of legal problems with that kind of suit here, and it's unlikely that any court would be willing to issue such a decision in the abstract. Courts generally decide disputes between parties; they aren't legal consultants that help you figure out what's legal and what isn't (that's what lawyers are for).

[tessl]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

EA can't just work with the courts to make this happen; courts don't work that way. The type of preliminary approval you're talking about would require EA to actually bring its own lawsuit for a declaratory judgment that it isn't using any player's likeness, but there would be a whole host of legal problems with that kind of suit here, and it's unlikely that any court would be willing to issue such a decision in the abstract. Courts generally decide disputes between parties; they aren't legal consultants that help you figure out what's legal and what isn't (that's what lawyers are for).

It would be worth a try. Is it really abstract? It has already been in the courts, this would simply be asking for clarification.

[fballturkey]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

What EA needs the NCAA to do is allow players to be compensated for their likeness. Then they could write some checks and get all the rights they need to make a game that is not only totally legal but also has actual player names when it ships.