Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

[seasprite]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

What EA needs the NCAA to do is allow players to be compensated for their likeness. Then they could write some checks and get all the rights they need to make a game that is not only totally legal but also has actual player names when it ships.

Kinduv destroys the whole amateur thing in college sports. Can't just pay college football players for their likeness.

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[fballturkey]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

Kinduv destroys the whole amateur thing in college sports. Can't just pay college football players for their likeness.

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You're assuming the amateur thing in college sports is worth saving. To a degree I don't think it is, and I think it was already destroyed as soon as recruiting for sports (and especially relaxing admissions criteria for athletes) began. Now we've got a worst of both worlds where the NCAA, formerly EA, and some schools are making lots of money while the people responsible for that money being made aren't compensated at all.

I'm not necessarily arguing for paying the athletes directly, but I do think it's extremely unfair to tell them "we're going to make millions off of jerseys with your number, selling TV contracts to watch you play, ticket sales, etc but you're not allowed to accept a couple thousand (or hundred) for a videogame maker to put you in a game." Why not?

[redsox4evur]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

You're assuming the amateur thing in college sports is worth saving. To a degree I don't think it is, and I think it was already destroyed as soon as recruiting for sports (and especially relaxing admissions criteria for athletes) began. Now we've got a worst of both worlds where the NCAA, formerly EA, and some schools are making lots of money while the people responsible for that money being made aren't compensated at all.



I'm not necessarily arguing for paying the athletes directly, but I do think it's extremely unfair to tell them "we're going to make millions off of jerseys with your number, selling TV contracts to watch you play, ticket sales, etc but you're not allowed to accept a couple thousand (or hundred) for a videogame maker to put you in a game." Why not?

The NCAA thinks it worth saving. So, college athletes aren't getting paid anytime soon.


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[kehlis]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

The NCAA thinks it worth saving. So, college athletes aren't getting paid anytime soon.


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No they don't, the NCAA doesn't care at all about "amateur status" as it has no bearing to them whatsoever.

[redsox4evur]

Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

No they don't, the NCAA doesn't care at all about "amateur status" as it has no bearing to them whatsoever.

Then why do they have rules where students can't get any money for anything they do in college? And why are they so hesitant to pay players?

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[fballturkey]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

Then why do they have rules where students can't get any money for anything they do in college? And why are they so hesitant to pay players?

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The second one is pretty easy to answer. If you had a bunch of people working for you and making you money and they made a little bit of money (and some even did it for free) how eager would you be to start paying them more?

The first part is trickier but I've always assumed it was part of the charade that makes the second part (not splitting the money with them directly) seem more consistent. There are alternate explinations that could be made though, like the fact that players going to one school versus another due to getting paid more is something that would probably hurt college football's (completely made up) image and allowing boosters to sign them to endorsement deals and the like would make that inevitable.

I mean, it's already inevitable, but it'd make it obvious.

[kehlis]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

Then why do they have rules where students can't get any money for anything they do in college? And why are they so hesitant to pay players?

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First, student/athletes do get money, I was handed cash for every away trip as a d3 baseball player at a small school for every away trip as a stipend. If I didn't need to use it that cash went straight into my pocket.

And I never said they were hesitant to pay players, I replied to your comment that they care about "amateur status."

Like anything in life, it's about money. If student/athletes are given a cut of any sort then they are losing some of their income.

My response to you was about the fact that they could care less about the integrity of amateur status.

[itsbigmike]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

If the NCAA cares that much about "amateur status" why do they allow olympians to make money while being in college and it not impacting their amateur status?

Link.

Some of them are students making monthly incomes while training for the olympics and they get the money they make during the olympics as well.

[tessl]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

You're assuming the amateur thing in college sports is worth saving. To a degree I don't think it is, and I think it was already destroyed as soon as recruiting for sports (and especially relaxing admissions criteria for athletes) began. Now we've got a worst of both worlds where the NCAA, formerly EA, and some schools are making lots of money while the people responsible for that money being made aren't compensated at all.

I'm not necessarily arguing for paying the athletes directly, but I do think it's extremely unfair to tell them "we're going to make millions off of jerseys with your number, selling TV contracts to watch you play, ticket sales, etc but you're not allowed to accept a couple thousand (or hundred) for a videogame maker to put you in a game." Why not?

If you look at the bottom line of most university athletic department budgets they don't make a big profit. Some lose money. The compensation comes in the form of things other than a paycheck.

I live in CoMO and I've been to the Missouri football facilities. The football players are pampered beyond anything I could have dreamed of at their age. Housing, meals, tuition, supplements personal trainers, state of the art facilities, every thing anybody could ask for. If they have any smarts they should end up with a solid degree from a major university which they can use to make a lot of money.

If you took all those benefits away and gave them $50,000 dollars a year they would quickly discover they were better off with the benefits and no paycheck.

[redsox4evur]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

If you look at the bottom line of most university athletic department budgets they don't make a big profit. Some lose money. The compensation comes in the form of things other than a paycheck.

I live in CoMO and I've been to the Missouri football facilities. The football players are pampered beyond anything I could have dreamed of at their age. Housing, meals, tuition, supplements personal trainers, state of the art facilities, every thing anybody could ask for. If they have any smarts they should end up with a solid degree from a major university which they can use to make a lot of money.

If you took all those benefits away and gave them $50,000 dollars a year they would quickly discover they were better off with the benefits and no paycheck.

Some??? 90% of the college athletic departments lose money. I think only 12 college athletic departments actually make money.


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[itsbigmike]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

If you look at the bottom line of most university athletic department budgets they don't make a big profit. Some lose money. The compensation comes in the form of things other than a paycheck.

I live in CoMO and I've been to the Missouri football facilities. The football players are pampered beyond anything I could have dreamed of at their age. Housing, meals, tuition, supplements personal trainers, state of the art facilities, every thing anybody could ask for. If they have any smarts they should end up with a solid degree from a major university which they can use to make a lot of money.

If you took all those benefits away and gave them $50,000 dollars a year they would quickly discover they were better off with the benefits and no paycheck.

No one is ever better off with less money. And the problem with them "getting a solid degree from a major university" is that many universities push players into terrible degrees that are easy or their coursework is lightened or the degrees just plain don't matter. And in a time when the business world is shift away from "do you have a four-year degree?" to "do you have a master's degree?", it's a big, big problem to just assume that getting the degree is automatically going to make them "a lot of money."

[tessl]

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No one is ever better off with less money. And the problem with them "getting a solid degree from a major university" is that many universities push players into terrible degrees that are easy or their coursework is lightened or the degrees just plain don't matter. And in a time when the business world is shift away from "do you have a four-year degree?" to "do you have a master's degree?", it's a big, big problem to just assume that getting the degree is automatically going to make them "a lot of money."

You miss the point. The athletes are given the best thing they could be given - opportunity. If they fail to take advantage of that opportunity whose fault is that?

Athletic departments don't have the money to pay players and give them the pampered treatment they currently get. Which current benefits would you take away in exchange for the cash?

[sXeInYoFace]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

no one is holding a gun to the heads of these kids. if they feel they get mistreated by the ncaa or their respective school by not getting paid, don't play for them and leave. so the schools do make millions off their jersey sales or tv appearances, is that fair? no, it is not, but neither is life, and if anybody told you life was fair lied to you. our soldiers get paid next to nothing to fight and die for our country and athletes get all riled up for free tuition, a top notch education, meals, room and board and so on. the same goes for kaepernick and all those fools kneeling during our National Anthem. don't like it? leave. but that is a total different subject that i probably shouldnt have even mentioned because it has no place on these forums. that just bothers me to no end. sorry for the rant.

[jerwoods]

Re: Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

here what needs to happen

1 cut roster share out i would hate that but its seems like a fair choice

2 keep Edit player in the game but put it in Dyn mode

3 try to get every school + 1-aa in the game only thing u would change is Bowl names CFP name


how i wouild sell it is

College Football returns to PS4 XBOX 1 with 250+ teams CFP all new graphics 5 commenty teams
1 Folwer/Krik H / Ponder
2 G Johnson/Cdavis
3 R Davis/m brown D pollak
4 Joe Tess Blackange
5Nessler/danleson/lafroce

score bugs from ESPN CBS CBS Sports Network FOX NBC ND Home Games only Gereic

Over 40 real FCS stadiums all 130 FBS stadiums

[freddyflash205]

I think it's dumb most of those college players played the game themselves