Draymond Green

[dwayne12345]

I know I know it's taboo to complain about overall ratings.

But this is more of a problem with the love Superstar Role Player Draymond Green is getting. He is a very polished all around NBA player, but he's not one of the best players in the NBA.

According to 2k Draymond is a better overall player than John Wall, Carmelo Anthony, LaMarcus Aldridge, Blake Griffin, Kyrie Irving, Paul George and Jimmy Butler.

I have a problem with that for one simple reason. If you traded Draymond Green 1 for 1 with any of those players is he leading his new team to the playoffs?

Anyway it's not a big deal functionally as I can adjust myself obviously. It's just annoying because I'm anti Dray

Edit: Not to mention that when including the legends 2K believes Dray is on par with Dirk Nowitzki and Kevin Garnett in their primes...

[DonWuan]

Re: Draymond Green

He is a more complete player than everyone you listed. He thrives in a system. A walking triple double that plays both sides.

Similar to kawai Leonard.

Dude did everything last year, not his fault Durant joined forces. It's funny because most of the players you listed don't get to the playoffs on their own either.

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[GisherJohn24]

Re: Draymond Green

I know I know it's taboo to complain about overall ratings.

But this is more of a problem with the love Superstar Role Player Draymond Green is getting. He is a very polished all around NBA player, but he's not one of the best players in the NBA.

According to 2k Draymond is a better overall player than John Wall, Carmelo Anthony, LaMarcus Aldridge, Blake Griffin, Kyrie Irving, Paul George and Jimmy Butler.

I have a problem with that for one simple reason. If you traded Draymond Green 1 for 1 with any of those players is he leading his new team to the playoffs?

Anyway it's not a big deal functionally as I can adjust myself obviously. It's just annoying because I'm anti Dray

Edit: Not to mention that when including the legends 2K believes Dray is on par with Dirk Nowitzki and Kevin Garnett in their primes...

I might just be based on how good he is on D. Hes ahard player to rate. He can shoot too.

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[Gosens6]

Re: Draymond Green

He is a more complete player than everyone you listed. He thrives in a system. A walking triple double that plays both sides.

Similar to kawai Leonard.

Dude did everything last year, not his fault Durant joined forces. It's funny because most of the players you listed don't get to the playoffs on their own either.

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Right on. Kyrie Irving and Blake Griffin leading their team to the playoffs on their own? No freaking way.

Did you see the Cavs play before LeBron came back?

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[dwayne12345]

Re: Draymond Green

He is a more complete player than everyone you listed. He thrives in a system. A walking triple double that plays both sides.

Similar to kawai Leonard.

Dude did everything last year, not his fault Durant joined forces. It's funny because most of the players you listed don't get to the playoffs on their own either.

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I know you said most of the players I listed however I disagree. Aside from Melo and Kyrie everyone else I listed are tremendous Two-Way superstars.

Paul George and Jimmy Butler are tremendous defenders. Paul George was defending PF's last year as well.

Even if you add in the legends Dirk and K.G. K.G. was a great Two-Way player who carried a par Timberwolves team to the Western Conference Finals at a time when the west was STACKED.

Carrying a decent team vs being a role player on a great team is really what I'm debating on.

I have no argument on Kyrie he should be rated low as his defense is sub par. However we aren't talking about 2013 Kyrie. We are discussing 2016 Kyrie which are 2 different beasts.

[Crossover1]

Re: Draymond Green

Right on. Kyrie Irving and Blake Griffin leading their team to the playoffs on their own? No freaking way.

Did you see the Cavs play before LeBron came back?

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Why do people always say that about the Cavs? They didn't stat winning when Lebron came back. They started winning after they assembled a good team. The only remaining pieces when they started winning were Kyrie, Tristan, and Varejao. It's after they traded to get Mozgov, JR, and Shumpert is when they started winning. They weren't even a .500 team before that when Lebron came back.

/rant

[raidertiger]

Re: Draymond Green

Why do people always say that about the Cavs. They didn't stat winning when Lebron came back. They started winning after they assembled a good team. The only remaining pieces when they started winning were Kyrie, Tristan, and Varejao. It's after they traded to get Mozgov, JR, and Shumpert is when they started winning. They weren't even a .500 team before that when Lebron came back.

/rant

And yet they have a terrible record without LeBron despite all that talent...

[DonWuan]

Re: Draymond Green

I know you said most of the players I listed however I disagree. Aside from Melo and Kyrie everyone else I listed are tremendous Two-Way superstars.

Paul George and Jimmy Butler are tremendous defenders. Paul George was defending PF's last year as well.

Even if you add in the legends Dirk and K.G. K.G. was a great Two-Way player who carried a par Timberwolves team to the Western Conference Finals at a time when the west was STACKED.

Carrying a decent team vs being a role player on a great team is really what I'm debating on.

I have no argument on Kyrie he should be rated low as his defense is sub par. However we aren't talking about 2013 Kyrie. We are discussing 2016 Kyrie which are 2 different beasts.

Most importantly is dramond doing anything outside his game on NBA 2k17?

He does everything, stat sheet stuffers will always be rated a little higher.

If you watch basketball I really don't see the point of the thread honestly.

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[dwayne12345]

Re: Draymond Green

And yet they have a terrible record without LeBron despite all that talent...

Before LeBron came back Kyrie played half the season due to injury and was on his rookie contract still.

You seen the Bulls record with Michael Jordan on his rookie contract before Pippen?

MJ's first 3 seasons were 38-44, 30-52, 40-42 with just 1 playoff win.

I guess that means M.J. couldn't carry a team.

[bigmixx]

Re: Draymond Green

To the OP, the only thing those players you mentioned does better than Draymond is score. I'll take Draymond any day over any of those players. He can score, rebound, run the floor, pass, and is a top 5 defender in the post and on the wing.

I think he's one of the most annoying, unlikeable dudes but he can ball.

[XxKnicksRules215xX]

Re: Draymond Green

I know I know it's taboo to complain about overall ratings.

But this is more of a problem with the love Superstar Role Player Draymond Green is getting. He is a very polished all around NBA player, but he's not one of the best players in the NBA.

According to 2k Draymond is a better overall player than John Wall, Carmelo Anthony, LaMarcus Aldridge, Blake Griffin, Kyrie Irving, Paul George and Jimmy Butler.

I have a problem with that for one simple reason. If you traded Draymond Green 1 for 1 with any of those players is he leading his new team to the playoffs?

Anyway it's not a big deal functionally as I can adjust myself obviously. It's just annoying because I'm anti Dray

Edit: Not to mention that when including the legends 2K believes Dray is on par with Dirk Nowitzki and Kevin Garnett in their primes...

So in saying all that, what do you propose they do?? You do understand that everyone will not be happy with the ratings?

[oouie433]

Re: Draymond Green

I don't have a horse in this race, as I don't care either way. But having said that...

The man had 32/15/9 in Game 7 of the FINALS!....(in my Allen Iverson voice) not a regular season game, not a 1st round game, but we talking 'bout the FINALS!

dude deserves to be rated well.

[dwayne12345]

Re: Draymond Green

I don't have a horse in this race, as I don't care either way. But having said that...

The man had 32/15/9 in Game 7 of the FINALS!....(in my Allen Iverson voice) not a regular season game, not a 1st round game, but we talking 'bout the FINALS!

dude deserves to be rated well.

1988 Big Game James Worthy 36 points, 16 rebounds and 10 assists in game 7 to help the Lakers win the finals. His rating is an 84/86. That's around where Draymond should be.

So in saying all that, what do you propose they do?? You do understand that everyone will not be happy with the ratings?

I would slightly drop some of his Defensive IQ. Although he's great I don't agree with him being one of the all time greatest as he is now.

I'd drop his offensive post game a bit as well.

I just thought ratings were on an all-time scale as they announced last year. Dray has great defense but not all-time great.

[ClevelandFan]

Re: Draymond Green

It's utter nonsense. Fanatical garbage.

[celviano]

Re: Draymond Green

I know I know it's taboo to complain about overall ratings.

But this is more of a problem with the love Superstar Role Player Draymond Green is getting. He is a very polished all around NBA player, but he's not one of the best players in the NBA.

According to 2k Draymond is a better overall player than John Wall, Carmelo Anthony, LaMarcus Aldridge, Blake Griffin, Kyrie Irving, Paul George and Jimmy Butler.

I have a problem with that for one simple reason. If you traded Draymond Green 1 for 1 with any of those players is he leading his new team to the playoffs?

Anyway it's not a big deal functionally as I can adjust myself obviously. It's just annoying because I'm anti Dray

Edit: Not to mention that when including the legends 2K believes Dray is on par with Dirk Nowitzki and Kevin Garnett in their primes...

The way Draymond plays does not look impressive or fancy to many people, but he is very effective in everything he does.

Defensively, I see Draymond as an elite defender, at the same level with Kawhi. Both can guard all 5 positions but Kawhi has an edge on defending guards with better lateral quickness and Draymond can defend inside better with great athleticism despite being just 6'7".

Offensively, in terms of scoring, let's take 2 best players that you mentioned, Melo and Paul George. Draymond is not a shot creator or volume shooter, but when he did, he did it pretty well, 49% FG and 38.8% 3 pts per game, both higher than Melo's and Paul George's.

Play making wise, he does not have great speed, ankle breaking moves or flashy passing like PGs you mentioned but he is willing to pass the ball and often find the opening shooters. Of course he has 2 of the best shooters in the league in the team but he has done it really well right at the first season trying to be one of the main ball handlers with 7.4 assists per game. Having him as the other ball handler, it really helps out GSW offense and relieves some pressure on Curry.

All in all, he is a very effective player all around, he can share the loads of many positions on the court and I can see him improving any team in all aspects. On top of that, he can be the "heart and soul" of any team with his fighting spirit.

It's utter nonsense. Fanatical garbage.

Care to elaborate?