Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

[CBAT]

Hypothesis: Is Speed with Ball (SWB) a modifier?

I ran a quick test with a friend in 2KU Freestyle with Russell Westbrook and Steph Curry to see how SWB is implemented.

Test:
I don't have the ratings in front of me, but these are approximate.

Russell Westbrook:
98 Speed
98 SWB

Steph Curry:
83 Speed
97 SWB

We ran these two side by side with the ball and they were about the exact same speed.

We then ran without the ball and Russell Westbrook was noticeably faster, probably about 8-10 feet faster from baseline to baseline.

We then ran Steph with the ball next to Russ without the ball and their speeds were almost identical.

Conclusion: My hypothesis was incorrect. Speed with Ball is measured at the same rate as Speed and there are many players that are faster with the ball than they are when in an all out sprint.

I've never met anyone that was slower in an all out sprint than they were when trying to do something else. This seems preposterous.

[Tstone77]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

Yeah that is completely ridiculous. This needs to be fixed ASAP.

1.) Swap SWB with quickness

2.) Quickness would make dribble moves be performed faster and imitate the "speed" that curry has on his handles.

By no means should this have ever made it into the game. Makes absolutely no sense.

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[Tstone77]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

Hypothesis: Is Speed with Ball (SWB) a modifier?

I ran a quick test with a friend in 2KU Freestyle with Russell Westbrook and Steph Curry to see how SWB is implemented.

Test:
I don't have the ratings in front of me, but these are approximate.

Russell Westbrook:
98 Speed
98 SWB

Steph Curry:
83 Speed
97 SWB

We ran these two side by side with the ball and they were about the exact same speed.

We then ran without the ball and Russell Westbrook was noticeably faster, probably about 8-10 feet faster from baseline to baseline.

We then ran Steph with the ball next to Russ without the ball and their speeds were almost identical.

Conclusion: My hypothesis was incorrect. Speed with Ball is measured at the same rate as Speed and there are many players that are faster with the ball than they are when in an all out sprint.

I've never met anyone that was slower in an all out sprint than they were when trying to do something else. This seems preposterous.

Thanks for testing this out. So that means that the slasher Archetype kind of got screwed. Kind of stupid since the greatest slasher of all time is named "The Flash"

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[Haraldsson88]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

Wow... 2K... ...? Bruh...

Speed with ball is so frustrating, im so slow as a slasher fml.

[CBAT]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

Feel free to test this out and see if you interpret different results. I really hope you do...

[jeremym480]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

Conclusion: My hypothesis was incorrect. Speed with Ball is measured at the same rate as Speed and there are many players that are faster with the ball than they are when in an all out sprint.

I've never met anyone that was slower in an all out sprint than they were when trying to do something else. This seems preposterous.

Yeah, I noticed that Isaiah Thomas has 87 speed and 94 speed with the ball. So, I guess he can only run that fast when he has the ball in his hands

It seems a little weird, but maybe there a reason behind it?

[RusDids29]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

Sometimes I wonder if they even know real basketball physics in SOME cases? With the 7.3 center and their incredible reb reach and reaction to a human being able to gain MORE speed when they are dribbling a ball. Nah, 2k take note of this and try to correct this. Still a very good game though. Playing mycareer is a blast

[TarHeelPhenom]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

So what way would you fix this issue? Maybe decreasing everybody's SWB across the board so that there is a noticeable gap between Speed and SWB. No way should someone be faster with the ball than without.

[eko718]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

Speed with Ball is an excellent rating addition. This is so necessary for big men who are fast from end to end and defensively, but not necessarily with the ball in hand.

The problem is not the rating addition, but rather the ratings allotted to players. I agree, 97 SWB rating makes no sense when your overall speed is 83. Solution; decrease Steph's SWB rating...problem solved. The issue is not with the rating category addition.

Also, this category need not replace quickness because quickness already has two categories; lateral quickness and acceleration. I have no issue with addition of ratings and expansion of options. We should by no means encourage 2K to SUBTRACT from the options we have; just do it correctly.

[CBAT]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

So what way would you fix this issue? Maybe decreasing everybody's SWB across the board so that there is a noticeable gap between Speed and SWB. No way should someone be faster with the ball than without.

I had thought it would be a modifier. This how I would have implemented it:

For example, someone with a 98 SWB would have very little difference between their Speed and their SWB. For example, Russell Westbrook at a 98 speed, with 98 SWB, real "Speed with Ball" would be 96.04 (98*.98), which is very fast! Curry on the other hand, is an 83 speed, but with the ball in his hands, would also be very little changed at 80.51 (83*.97). These high SWB ratings would be designated to the best ball handlers (like Russ & Curry).

On the other end, someone like Tony Allen (sorry Tony) may be an 85 speed, but he is not a great ball handler. Therefore his SWB rating would be 70, which would drop his speed with ball to 59.5 (85*.70).
Just an example^

No way should anyone ever be faster with the ball in their hands than without. Like Tstone77 mentioned, there could be a dribbling quickness rating (not sure if handles already incorporates this), or something along those lines, which would allow someone like Steph Curry (or Kyrie), who are not the fastest guards in the league, faster handles. But Steph with the ball should not be the same speed as Westbrook without the ball. Meaning, if Steph has the ball and a step on Westbrook in the open court, Westbrook will not be able to run him down.

[CBAT]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

Speed with Ball is an excellent rating addition. This is so necessary for big men who are fast from end to end and defensively, but not necessarily with the ball in hand.

The problem is not the rating addition, but rather the ratings allotted to players. I agree, 97 SWB rating makes no sense when your overall speed is 83. Solution; decrease Steph's SWB rating...problem solved. The issue is not with the rating category addition.

Also, this category need not replace quickness because quickness already has two categories; lateral quickness and acceleration. I have no issue with addition of ratings and expansion of options. We should by no means encourage 2K to SUBTRACT from the options we have; just do it correctly.

eko718 - I am not asking them to subtract the option, I love the idea of it, it is just that the implementation of the rating is completely incorrect.

[Mweemwee]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

I had thought it would be a modifier. This how I would have implemented it:

For example, someone with a 98 SWB would have very little difference between their Speed and their SWB. For example, Russell Westbrook at a 98 speed, with 98 SWB, real "Speed with Ball" would be 96.04 (98*.98), which is very fast! Curry on the other hand, is an 83 speed, but with the ball in his hands, would also be very little changed at 80.51 (83*.97). These high SWB ratings would be designated to the best ball handlers (like Russ & Curry).

On the other end, someone like Tony Allen (sorry Tony) may be an 85 speed, but he is not a great ball handler. Therefore his SWB rating would be 70, which would drop his speed with ball to 59.5 (85*.70).
Just an example^

No way should anyone ever be faster with the ball in their hands than without. Like Tstone77 mentioned, there could be a dribbling quickness rating (not sure if handles already incorporates this), or something along those lines, which would allow someone like Steph Curry (or Kyrie), who are not the fastest guards in the league, faster handles. But Steph with the ball should not be the same speed as Westbrook without the ball. Meaning, if Steph has the ball and a step on Westbrook in the open court, Westbrook will not be able to run him down.

This makes total sense.

[Tstone77]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

Speed with Ball is an excellent rating addition. This is so necessary for big men who are fast from end to end and defensively, but not necessarily with the ball in hand.

The problem is not the rating addition, but rather the ratings allotted to players. I agree, 97 SWB rating makes no sense when your overall speed is 83. Solution; decrease Steph's SWB rating...problem solved. The issue is not with the rating category addition.

Also, this category need not replace quickness because quickness already has two categories; lateral quickness and acceleration. I have no issue with addition of ratings and expansion of options. We should by no means encourage 2K to SUBTRACT from the options we have; just do it correctly.

The only way the the rating works is with a modifier. Do you really think that if Blake griffin was dribbling down the court full speed that X guy who is slower than Blake griffin all of a sudden becomes faster because Blake has a ball?


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[CBAT]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

The only way the the rating works is with a modifier. Do you really think that if Blake griffin was dribbling down the court full speed that X guy who is slower than Blake griffin all of a sudden becomes faster because Blake has a ball?


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I agree. The only other option than a modifier would be to make the SWB cap at whatever the player's speed is, therefore the player could not be any faster with the ball than they are without it, which could and would serve the same purpose.

[Celtics4Life]

Re: Speed With Ball Rating Test (SWB)

Wow... 2K... ...? Bruh...

Speed with ball is so frustrating, im so slow as a slasher fml.

Everyone that created a slasher basically got screwed (me included)
My guy is fast without the ball runs up and down the floor with no problem once I get the ball forget it feels like I'm in mud can't even dribble past a center lol