PES 2017 Review

[bxphenom7]

I have read many post where people say FIFA has better animation. My brain just dosent get it, for me its compelete opposite. Could someone explain that to me, would like to know what i am missing and people are seeing?

I don't get it either. I never liked overall animation in any EA Sports game since entering the PS3/Xbox 360 gen honestly.

[RoyceDa59]

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About the score, think what PES needs truly is a solid licenses system. They expect the communities to fill that gap with patches and all, but some just don´t want that, and some can´t even use patches (X1 users).

Musics? I don´t care. It´s a soccer game.
Menus? They are fine and serve their purpose.

Some fine tuning on offline options would be good, to turn Master League even more immersive.
But licenses? Ohh man that would be the best. In fact, I believe that this years edition gameplay together with correct licenses for top leagues would guaranteed a 10/10 on most reviews.

Think about it, this is what PES lovers (or better, soccer lovers) were wishing since PES 5/6. The balance on those games was sooo good. I have read lots of players asking for a HD version of PES 5/6, nothing more...

Well, I think this year we have something a "little" better than PES 5/6 HD version... or should a say... a LOT better?

I just think presentation needs to be better and this year they improved but the overall match day experience needs to be there. Konami have it in them just look how authentic the Champions League.

[bredfan]

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The biggest thing PES has over Fifa this year is the ball physics. It makes everything feel more organic and less "scripted" if you will.

In Fifa, I feel like almost every play is determined by the animation it wants to use, rather than the other way around, because of the ball not being it's own entity.

The one thing about Fifa I just cannot stand is watching the ball literally go through the player models. Ugh. Just writing it down annoys me to no end.

[xicpanad]

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I just think presentation needs to be better and this year they improved but the overall match day experience needs to be there. Konami have it in them just look how authentic the Champions League.

Ah yes!! That detail is awesome indeed, and it adds so much to the match atmosfere! You feel you´re playing an important match. Jut like the commentary... Usually I turn it off and I do my own on the fly commentaries.
That´s when my cat leaves the living room...

[xicpanad]

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The biggest thing PES has over Fifa this year is the ball physics. It makes everything feel more organic and less "scripted" if you will.

In Fifa, I feel like almost every play is determined by the animation it wants to use, rather than the other way around, because of the ball not being it's own entity.

The one thing about Fifa I just cannot stand is watching the ball literally go through the player models. Ugh. Just writing it down annoys me to no end.

Fifa franchise is on a transition right now. They announced the new engine and everybody got excited. Underneath, the engine is there, but it´s covered with the last years code, so almost nothing new here. It all depends on how fast they can tune the engine for the next editions.

PES has come a long way, full of frustrations and people migrating to EA´s titles or even other game genres. Finally, we can clearly say they are feeling confortable now and presenting us with a satisfying product.

EA will eventually get there, but for now, all we have is a new engine doing the exact same thing. They might paint it with the cliché sentences "revolutionary colision system" or whatever, but there´s really not much to see there.

I don´t understant what took Konami so much to get here, but now I just hope they don´t loose sense and change things for worse in the future.

[Gnemi]

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Fifa franchise is on a transition right now. They announced the new engine and everybody got excited. Underneath, the engine is there, but it´s covered with the last years code, so almost nothing new here. It all depends on how fast they can tune the engine for the next editions.

PES has come a long way, full of frustrations and people migrating to EA´s titles or even other game genres. Finally, we can clearly say they are feeling confortable now and presenting us with a satisfying product.

EA will eventually get there, but for now, all we have is a new engine doing the exact same thing. They might paint it with the cliché sentences "revolutionary colision system" or whatever, but there´s really not much to see there.

I don´t understant what took Konami so much to get here, but now I just hope they don´t loose sense and change things for worse in the future.

I'm just tired of all the excuse making. EA make $650M a year from Ultimate Team alone. Think about that. There's plenty of resource to pour into offline experiences and they're simply choosing not to.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-03-02-eas-ultimate-team-earning-around-usd650-million-a-year

[RoyceDa59]

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I'm just tired of all the excuse making. EA make $650M a year from Ultimate Team alone. Think about that. There's plenty of resource to pour into offline experiences and they're simply choosing not to.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...million-a-year

Yeah but you also have to take into consideration that game is pretty much a gaming ad board. All those licenses and exclusivity must eat into a good amount of that.

[bredfan]

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Fifa franchise is on a transition right now. They announced the new engine and everybody got excited. Underneath, the engine is there, but it´s covered with the last years code, so almost nothing new here. It all depends on how fast they can tune the engine for the next editions.

PES has come a long way, full of frustrations and people migrating to EA´s titles or even other game genres. Finally, we can clearly say they are feeling confortable now and presenting us with a satisfying product.

EA will eventually get there, but for now, all we have is a new engine doing the exact same thing. They might paint it with the cliché sentences "revolutionary colision system" or whatever, but there´s really not much to see there.

I don´t understant what took Konami so much to get here, but now I just hope they don´t loose sense and change things for worse in the future.

Yeah. I actually had high hopes for Fifa this year until I played the demo and saw that it was basically identical to 16, with 15's controls added back in. LOL

Oddly enough, for couch games against friends, I prefer Fifa by a mile because it does the end to end game so much better, IMO.

It's a shame that FUT is just so profitable. I mean, it's really hard to blame EA for focusing on it.

[DBMcGee3]

I don't understand why the lack of Option Files on XB1 would be in any way related to the PS4 review of the game, but I found most everything else to be very fair and truthful.

What makes PES shine, in my opinion, is the way that CPU opponents play. The passes and shots you'll see from them generally just make sense, and other than some of the elite players feeling a bit too tame, the CPU feels like you're playing a human opponent. I've been playing the FIFA demo for days now, and I may end up buying it anyway because I like so much about the game. That being said, the CPU opponents pale in comparison to those in PES, because there's so little in terms of play style variation and at times the tiki taka passing becomes very unnatural and frustrating. If the Option File guys are able to work some magic with the PES tactics, then you'll really see something special on the pitch.

[kashik]

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This game is a joy to play so far. I've had it for a few days and there isn't much that is annoying me with the gameplay. Perhaps a few hard tackles here or there that go uncalled, or how players slide in so unrealistically in their tackles. Some team tactics could use some tweaking, which is possible to do. Going to need more time before any patterns emerge, but it's looking like this is the football game to beat - past and present!

Outside of gameplay, PES could obviously use a bit of work. I haven't been able to get an online game going. From those that have reported playing, the experience isn't as smooth as Fifa.

Menus could always be done better. There's been improvements, but it still seems last-gen.

Licensing is still an issue, as it will always be, but OFs fix that for the most part. It would be nice if we had more real stadiums, or even a way to add stadiums much like kits. If Konami gave us the tools, they could rely on the community to effectively remove the advantage fifa has with licensing.

Waiting for some new OFs before I dig into ML, so the above is what I've seen so far. Great great game of football, with some slight issues with presentation.

If you're a football fan, and you play on PS4, it would be a mistake not to pick this one up.

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[kashik]

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One other slight issue is with goalkeepers. I'm seeing this a lot: on goal kicks, the keeper constantly chooses short ground pass to the defender off to the side and closest to the net.

I have seen this with many teams. What tactics is this associated with? Something we can manually adjust?

It's not a big deal, just not so realistic.

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[xicpanad]

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One other slight issue is with goalkeepers. I'm seeing this a lot: on goal kicks, the keeper constantly chooses short ground pass to the defender off to the side and closest to the net.

I have seen this with many teams. What tactics is this associated with? Something we can manually adjust?

It's not a big deal, just not so realistic.

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That is probably related with the CPU A/D levels throughout the match. We can try to use a more pressing tactic against it, forcing him to kick the ball long or just live with it. Also, he doesn´t always pass to the closest player. It depends how close you are marking CPU players.

[BSDShoes]

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One other slight issue is with goalkeepers. I'm seeing this a lot: on goal kicks, the keeper constantly chooses short ground pass to the defender off to the side and closest to the net.

I have seen this with many teams. What tactics is this associated with? Something we can manually adjust?

It's not a big deal, just not so realistic.

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Is fluid formations turned on or have you been pushing your line towards center field? I personally don't see this happen much, then again I often play lower end teams in tier 2 leagues.

[KG]

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I don't understand why the lack of Option Files on XB1 would be in any way related to the PS4 review of the game, but I found most everything else to be very fair and truthful.



What makes PES shine, in my opinion, is the way that CPU opponents play. The passes and shots you'll see from them generally just make sense, and other than some of the elite players feeling a bit too tame, the CPU feels like you're playing a human opponent. I've been playing the FIFA demo for days now, and I may end up buying it anyway because I like so much about the game. That being said, the CPU opponents pale in comparison to those in PES, because there's so little in terms of play style variation and at times the tiki taka passing becomes very unnatural and frustrating. If the Option File guys are able to work some magic with the PES tactics, then you'll really see something special on the pitch.

I reviewed it on the PS4 but I thought it would be in bad taste to not mention the lack of Option Files on the XB1. I would hate for someone to buy it and not know (I know it's unlikely given all the news and posts here but for people migrating over from FIFA it could happen).


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[kashik]

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Is fluid formations turned on or have you been pushing your line towards center field? I personally don't see this happen much, then again I often play lower end teams in tier 2 leagues.

I've seen it with both fluid formation on and off... And to be honest now, I'm seeing this almost every game. Doesn't matter the team or league, seeing it everywhere.

I haven't really played around with difficulty too much, so that could also change things if it makes the CPU more aggressive. I haven't played PES in a long time so I may be playing at difficulty levels lower than some of you guys here.

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