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  • SmashMan
    All Star
    • Dec 2004
    • 9759

    #16
    Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

    Originally posted by JayD
    Also, the accuracy bar is freakin huge now!
    Clint says it's roughly a 10% size increase. I haven't had a chance to really play since the patch. Anyone have any photos of the meter now? We could compare and see if the 10% checks out.

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    • fistofrage
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2002
      • 13682

      #17
      Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

      Originally posted by roadman
      He's already told JayD that he's interested in a slider that has an option of going fast or slow.

      If you think it would help, I will, but he's already leaning that way?

      Based on Clint's answer that he's interested in such a slider, I doubt anything would come of it with this Madden.
      Yes please do. I want him to at least look at the slider. Under 30 and it's an automatic shank even if you hit the mark perfectly. If we could put slider to 5 let's say and have it decease the sweet spot and still work properly then that may be a solution. I would think if it was working properly it would also increase the speed. But the slider is certainly broken so I would think the developer would want to know that. It was broken like this in 16 as well so I don't think it has had any eyes on it. Thanks.
      Chalepa Ta Kala.....

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      • bcruise
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2004
        • 23274

        #18
        Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

        Originally posted by SmashMan
        Clint says it's roughly a 10% size increase. I haven't had a chance to really play since the patch. Anyone have any photos of the meter now? We could compare and see if the 10% checks out.
        Sure, I can. Here's Hopkins's bar at various lengths on All-Pro (as you can see, the accuracy area changes size depending on length of the kick):









        I agree that it's been made easier - I'm pretty much automatic offline with an accuracy point like this for the shorter kicks, so hopefully the accuracy slider (which was at 50 for this) will have an effect. There are probably other factors at play as well in an actual game (to say nothing of the guys trying to block the kick)

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        • DeuceDouglas
          Madden Dev Team
          • Apr 2010
          • 4297

          #19
          Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

          Originally posted by SmashMan
          Clint says it's roughly a 10% size increase. I haven't had a chance to really play since the patch. Anyone have any photos of the meter now? We could compare and see if the 10% checks out.
          I made a crude comparison. I wish I hadn't just deleted the screenshots I had taken while doing my FG testing or I could give a much better comparison. The left is pre-patch from a game a few weeks ago, right is a screenshot I just took:



          The thing is, when I did my FG testing, it became evident that there was no difference in accuracy whether the accuracy was set in the black or the light blue area. And the light blue area still appears to be the same size so I'm not sure that the increase in size actually changes anything.

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          • SmashMan
            All Star
            • Dec 2004
            • 9759

            #20
            Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

            Originally posted by DeuceDouglas
            I made a crude comparison. I wish I hadn't just deleted the screenshots I had taken while doing my FG testing or I could give a much better comparison. The left is pre-patch from a game a few weeks ago, right is a screenshot I just took:



            The thing is, when I did my FG testing, it became evident that there was no difference in accuracy whether the accuracy was set in the black or the light blue area. And the light blue area still appears to be the same size so I'm not sure that the increase in size actually changes anything.
            Interesting, even as a crude comparison. I've also noticed (pre-patch) that even if I was in the light blue area I was still pretty safe unless it was on the edge of my kicker's range, as I'd expect.

            So if we consider the entire light blue area to be a 'safe' zone for accuracy, maybe increasing the size of the black area doesn't really do anything to increase accuracy itself, and it's more of visual thing to help guide people to the same center wedge that's been there.

            I haven't done extensive testing on kicking and/or accuracy from different ranges so I'd have to defer to someone like you who has done that.

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            • roadman
              *ll St*r
              • Aug 2003
              • 26339

              #21
              Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

              Originally posted by fistofrage
              Yes please do. I want him to at least look at the slider. Under 30 and it's an automatic shank even if you hit the mark perfectly. If we could put slider to 5 let's say and have it decease the sweet spot and still work properly then that may be a solution. I would think if it was working properly it would also increase the speed. But the slider is certainly broken so I would think the developer would want to know that. It was broken like this in 16 as well so I don't think it has had any eyes on it. Thanks.
              FWIW, I tweeted both Rex and Clint, no promises on any dialogue beyond that, they don't respond to everything.

              And I'm not one to belabor the point, either.

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              • Brimmy25
                Just started!
                • Sep 2016
                • 2

                #22
                Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

                Kicking is so easy now Hellen Keller could go 27-27 for a season.

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                • Ueauvan
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 1625

                  #23
                  Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

                  why am i kicking and punting in coach mode ... and i now i can supersim thats not the point

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                  • fistofrage
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 13682

                    #24
                    Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

                    Good news, they are looking at the line drive punting issue. Hopefully they will look into the FGA slider at the same time.

                    I put the FGA slider down to 5 last night and the meter went faster and the target zone was smaller. If it didn't result in an auto shank if you moved the slider below 30, everyone would be happy.

                    With a special teams fix, we will have a pretty good game on our hands.
                    Chalepa Ta Kala.....

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                    • sebas49
                      Rookie
                      • Aug 2014
                      • 50

                      #25
                      Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

                      They said they changed based on online games statistics. But the numbers dont tell whole history. I have trouble in kicking game (And so many friends too) but the main reason for me is the lag due to my connection. The numbers say "hey, too many FG missed in this game" but dont show the real reason. I missed a lot of FG's and PAT's , even after pactch, but I do not think they should make it easier.

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                      • DeuceDouglas
                        Madden Dev Team
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 4297

                        #26
                        Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

                        Originally posted by sebas49
                        They said they changed based on online games statistics. But the numbers dont tell whole history. I have trouble in kicking game (And so many friends too) but the main reason for me is the lag due to my connection. The numbers say "hey, too many FG missed in this game" but dont show the real reason. I missed a lot of FG's and PAT's , even after pactch, but I do not think they should make it easier.

                        This is basically the exact reason why it was changed, to try and combat the lag and latency people get online and make it easier for them to kick.

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                        • fistofrage
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 13682

                          #27
                          Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

                          Originally posted by DeuceDouglas
                          This is basically the exact reason why it was changed, to try and combat the lag and latency people get online and make it easier for them to kick.

                          This is why they need to be aware that the FGA slider is broken, if they fix that the offliners with be satisfied and everybody wins.
                          Chalepa Ta Kala.....

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                          • ODogg
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 37953

                            #28
                            Kicking back to automatic, why?

                            Nothing is broken, this is why a perfect football game will never be made, some folks are really good, some are average and some below average. EA cannot possibly make a game to everyone's skill level.


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                            • fistofrage
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 13682

                              #29
                              Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

                              Originally posted by ODogg
                              Nothing is broken, this is why a perfect football game will never be made, some folks are really good, some are average and some below average. EA cannot possibly make a game to everyone's skill level.


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                              The Field Goal Accuracy slider is most certainly broken. Put it below 30, you will see that the meter moves faster and the target area is reduced, but even if you hit it perfectly its an automatic shank.

                              If they are going to nerf field goals to the point they are automatic offline, they need to give us working tools to customize our game.

                              If they fix it, everyone will be much happier.

                              Also I just googled Madden special steams and found this.....



                              When we reviewed game tape of the 2015 NFL season, we came to the realization that it was far past time to make kicking in Madden ‘less automatic’. We felt like we needed more of a challenge than just flicking the stick up. We also felt that kicker ratings needed to have a much bigger impact on the game. After reviewing other sports titles, we quickly adopted a 3 button approach, very similar to what you would see in a golf or baseball game. You click the button once to start the kick, click again at the top of the meter to set power and finally again at the bottom of the meter to set accuracy. The harder you try and kick it, the more difficult it will be to hit the accuracy window. We have also restored the squib kick mechanic based on community response and new to M17 are ‘sky punt’ and ‘backspin’ options for situational strategies in the kicking game.

                              I am dumbfounded why they would nerf this back to automatic.
                              Last edited by fistofrage; 10-06-2016, 01:45 PM.
                              Chalepa Ta Kala.....

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                              • fistofrage
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 13682

                                #30
                                Re: Kicking back to automatic, why?

                                It's funny that in the link I posted above it shows Blair Walsh, the guy who missed the 27 yard field goal in the play-offs to end the season for the Vikings on what appeared to be a chip shot.

                                That's the kind of dynamic the offline sim gamers want. That's what Madden delivered out of the box. That's why it's so gut wrenching that we had this and it has been taken away.
                                Chalepa Ta Kala.....

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