MyCAREER Has a Realism Problem

[AceDawg5]

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Last year, you “Lived the Dream.” This year you experienced your “Prelude” to greatness. Both of these modes in Visual Concepts’ NBA 2K franchise were supposed to acclimate and immerse you into the game’s premier mode, MyCareer. Both years had you assume a player whose visage and role you could create, but whose persona was already determined via the story mode crafted by Visual Concepts. I’m not here to talk about the merits of last year’s “movie of the week” presentation (personally, I liked it) or this year’s evolved version that grants you much more control over your player during your rookie NBA season.

I’m here to talk about something else. Just like last year, your guy. You. The President of basketball, aka Pres, flat out SUCKS!

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This article says everything I've been saying since the change from My player to My Career. It's pretty sad because there's so much potential. But the execution is easily recognizable as a money grab. How can a 1st round draft pick's game salary not be enough to buy a pair of shoes? Really makes me feel rich. Heck my real life paycheck is better than these "up and coming" superstars'

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[burter]

This is why I'm waiting on Steam summer sale to hopefully get this for 12 bucks like I did 2k16. I only play MC mode and since it's looks to be like last years story mode, I will skip till the 2nd season (which kills it for me because I like to build my guy up and play every game). Can't you just do a mode were it can be like 2k10 with summer league games? Either play them then get drafted or get drafted then play them for your new team to see if you get called up. Either way will be better then this story mode junk.

[NARFALICIOUS]

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Who is complaining about being rated 55 in college? At 55, I can get drafted in the lottery on Allstar Difficulty. I wouldn't spend VC until I know Im happy with how the career is going, i.e. position, body style, team..

[abuC]

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Well, I'm struggling to get Pick Dodger for my Lockdown defender and it's highlighted something really ugly about how 2k runs it's offense. I looked at how people got pick dodger on Youtube and it seems easy, but most of them are point guards or shooting guards, what I've seen now is that the small forward on almost every team is used exactly the same way and it doesn't matter what level you're playing on. The small forward just goes and stands in the corner while the plays take place on the other side of the floor, they get no offball screens, they don't initiate offense, they just stand in the corner. So, I'm getting no screens to run around to get my badge, because if I leave the CPU small forward to chase the Picks on the other side of the floor the CPU passes it to the guy in the corner. I've seen this from Kevin Durant, Gordon Hayward and Giannis Antetokounmpo, small forwards that high picks, yet when I play their teams they just stand in the corner.

I haven't played LeBron yet, but I'd hope they got him right, and this is on HOF and superstar.

[StubbyStan]

I understand your gripes, but I actually enjoy the story. Last year it was awful, but I respected the fact that they were trying to put some effort into the mode. Unlike Madden(last time I played) which lets you just pick what team you're on, and has you just play games.
I hope next year they add the D-league back in kind of like it was in 2k10. In summary, I rather 2k try to do something different and fail rather than keep shipping the same product...you know who you are.

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I always applaud Visual Concepts for trying something when they definitely don't have to. They're the only game in town. I enjoy the story they're trying to tell (I even enjoyed last year's). My problem isn't with the story, it's with the fact that your player's ability doesn't match the story they're trying to tell.

There are several people on the thread that are saying that there's a legitimate reason to keep you that low gimped because human players are THAT much better than the AI that an average human player will always outplay an AI controlled superstar. That shouldn't be the case.

If the narrative talks about you as being a great prospect, you should be rated as such, not the lowest skilled player in the league (which is exactly what you are).

Thanks so much for reading the piece and commenting! I really appreciate it!

[2Kray]

Why everytime I TOUCH the ball I'm immediately double teamed? CPU defenders will leave their man to come double me from the tip-off til end of the game. I'm a Post-Scorer PF and due to the lacking statcap for playmaking this is a game-killer honestly

[Slegger]

MyCAREER Has a Realism Problem

Last year, you “Lived the Dream.” This year you experienced your “Prelude” to greatness. Both of these modes in Visual Concepts’ NBA 2K franchise were supposed to acclimate and immerse you into the game’s premier mode, MyCareer. Both years had you assume a player whose visage and role you could create, but whose persona was already determined via the story mode crafted by Visual Concepts. I’m not here to talk about the merits of last year’s “movie of the week” presentation (personally, I liked it) or this year’s evolved version that grants you much more control over your player during your rookie NBA season.



I’m here to talk about something else. Just like last year, your guy. You. The President of basketball, aka Pres, flat out SUCKS!



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"....Wouldn’t it make sense from a immersion -- and moral -- standpoint to start your player with a rating in at least the 70s..."

I disagree, but what they should have done is to write a story that fits us starting as a 55 overall and grinding our ways into stardom.
In a way the NBA2K15 approach made way more sense, you started as an undrafted, 55 overall player, working your way into the NBA mid season by starting off on a 10 day contact. That story was perfect, but unfortunately badly executed.

[zrohman]

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I think you can summarize this very simply. Realistically you should start out at around 70 rating, but realistically they want to make a little extra money so they should start us out at a 65. The problem is this game is so good and so popular but they will milk every dime they can and start you out at a 57, which would basically be there waiting that my mom would get if she played basketball. It's unfortunate but they can do it because they want to

[keshunleon]

I agree with the OP, 55 yet you are drafted in the 1st round. He should start off at least at a 73 or 75 then you can work your way up.
I spent $20 on VC to get my player up to 80 and I spent a lot of time practicing. I've earned about 7000 VC but because of the servers I can't collect on it (this sucks the most).

They may need to have it where you can only increase your rating 5-10 points per season for realism.

I have had 3 triple doubles in 5 games and 2 30+ games.

[Nza]

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...I spent $20 on VC to get my player up to 80 and I spent a lot of time practicing....

I don't think you have to look much further than this, this is why you start so lowly rated. It's because it makes them money. This is fine, they're allowed to make money, but there is no doubting they make more like that than if you started closer to 80 OVR. And now they've gone down this path, they can't go back - it would simply equate to money lost.

[wombatvvv]

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Last year, you “Lived the Dream.” This year you experienced your “Prelude” to greatness. Both of these modes in Visual Concepts’ NBA 2K franchise were supposed to acclimate and immerse you into the game’s premier mode, MyCareer. Both years had you assume a player whose visage and role you could create, but whose persona was already determined via the story mode crafted by Visual Concepts. I’m not here to talk about the merits of last year’s “movie of the week” presentation (personally, I liked it) or this year’s evolved version that grants you much more control over your player during your rookie NBA season.

I’m here to talk about something else. Just like last year, your guy. You. The President of basketball, aka Pres, flat out SUCKS!

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TOTALLY AGREE!

In fact, I walk out of the room during the cut-scenes and turn the commentary off during games because it just ruins the experience. It's not "MY Career" at all. It's "THE PRES's Career".

Not only that, I play on HOF (and I aint that good at it!). My dude is a rookie, 20th draft pick, getting about 10 minutes a game, averaging 3 points, 1 block, 5 rebounds 1.5 assists. Which isn't half bad in real life for a 19 year old rookie coming off the bench for ten minutes.

But the cut-scenes constantly refer to him being in a slump and playing really badly.

Social media is even worse. Half of them are tearing shreds off him as if he should be leading the team in all stats and he's the next coming of Micheal Jordan only getting a few points per game ... and the other half are asking when he's going to be on the cover of the next 2K18! WTF? Neither thing is appropriate.

There's two problems here:

1. The world around you all acts in a totally pre-scripted, "he's a superstar" way regardless of how you're actually playing.

The game is built with your player being "the star" as pre-scripted. Even if you play horribly you're still treated as "the star". You still get a starting spot at X pre-scripted point. You still form some dumb "orange juice" connection with another rookie coming off the bench. You still get major shoe deals. You still get selected to play for the national team. etc. etc.

There is no path in the game where you play as a guy fighting for a starting spot, or just fighting not to get cut from the team. And of course nobody wants to be in that position, but actually succeeding and getting the starting spot, becoming the star or the super-star, etc. that will be all the more rewarding if it isn't your pre-defined destiny from day #1 no matter what you do.

FFS, I actually simmed through a rookie season as an experiment to see what would happen, and my guy still got selected in the bloody all-star team and the dunk competition even though my sim-stats were awful and he was still rated 55 overall!

2. When your stats are actually taken into consideration, your actual court time is not!

For example, you could play 6 minutes and score 4 points, 4 rebounds and an assist and this will be treated by the game as if your player is "in a slump". Your mum will text you and tell you how bad you're playing. lol. wtf? They're great stats for six minutes of play from a 19 year old rookie. Guys on social media will tear shreds off you for not passing more or something silly like that.

[wombatvvv]

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P.S. so basically, I have the opposite opinion of what many others have expressed.

They seem to want you player to start with higher stats so the story makes sense.

I want the story to react and make sense compared to your stats.

If you're rated 57 overall you are NOT the number one high school player. You are NOT getting major shoe endorsement contracts. And social media fans, commentators, team-mates, etc. do NOT treat you like the next coming of Michael Jordan.

Of course, they should do all that if you EARN it over the season OR if you just had heaps of VC to max-out your player from day #1. Now that is all totally pre-scripted though.

Part of the problem is the over-reliance on cut-scenes. I'd enjoy the game much more if they just removed all the cut-scenes and in fact the whole "story", and just made it an open-world basketball career simulation. You might be a superstar. You might be fighting not to get cut from the team. Either way, the sim-basketball world around you reacts realistically.

[wombatvvv]

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How about one week, you're getting cutscenes about you and Justice being the faces of the franchise and the next week there's talk about him or both of you being traded? Really? Two rookies being billed as the cornerstones of the franchise tied into DIRT CHEAP FOUR-YEAR ROOKIE DEALS involved in trade talk... not to mention I had the Jazz with the best record in the NBA at that point in time (ahead of the Warriors).

And I get the text thing is supposed to be playful, but when the rest of the game is built around realism, it seems really silly.

Why is John Wall getting pissed at me for not wanting to skip a mandatory team practice to go bowling with him? Why am I taking a private jet with the owner somewhere the night before a home game? Why is a team executive, Larry Bird, asking a player who's not on his team to hang out? Last time I checked, that's costing the Pacers a draft pick or two. And why am I hanging out with 1980's Larry Bird?

Why do I go back to my court after games/practices on a road trip? Why are you at your team's practice facility on the road? Why am I making local sponsorship appearances while I'm on the road?

Why does the reporter just stroll into an off-day practice like he owns the place?

Why are my teammates asking me to play 3 on 3 the morning of a game?

None of this happens in the NBA... it's been a couple weeks since I played the mode cause I've moved onto franchise now we have preseason rosters, so I forget some of the other silliness in regards to realism.

2K should form a partnership with Telltale and just come up with a different experience for MyPlayer... one where your choices really have an impact on the storyline and everything isn't scripted/out of place.

And like first post mentioned... PLEASE let us skip cutscenes... I hit a couple bugs where I had to watch the same cutscene three times before I figured out a workaround.

That and not having to press "A" (or "X" on PS4 haha) 50 times during a game to keep advancing through timeouts, free throws, end of quarters/halves would be awesome too... Madden '17 killed it in this department... you hold "A" down and immediately bypass whatever is keeping you from playing the game.

That being said, they do an awesome job with the features in franchise mode... I know a lot of folks will nitpick that the way I did to myplayer hahaha (I hate moving a team and seeing them wear their old warmups), but we've come a looooong way in that department since the original stat tracking seasons of Baseball Stars and Super Tecmo Bowl! :-)

This post made me laugh.

... and I agree 100% with everything that was said.

[wombatvvv]

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If 2K told gamers that they had to play 4 to 5 years to reach their full potential, or that they could not change teams until their rookie contract expired people would go ballistic.

What would be the problem? If you're only playing to "reach your full potential", then you may as well just buy VC from day #1. The fun is not about "being the best", the fun is in the challenge and the experience.

I would love it. Realism = immersion. Challenge = fun. I want the experience of playing a realistic sand-box experience of NBA career. Not a predefined story where you're the superstar from day dot in High School.

It's the same reason I expect they make these stupid, boring stories every year, because some marketing genius at 2K has it in their head that nobody will play it unless they have their ego massaged and get treated like a super-star from day #1 of High School no matter how good they actually really are. They don't seem to get that if it's pre-scripted that you're a star, it's no fun and no challenge, and actually just frustrating and annoying and unrealistic and detracts from the career mode.

And if you don't want to play in the same team, request a trade. That said, I must admit that I want the most realism they can deliver in general, but if they're a little more relaxed when it comes to freedom to move your player from team to team, then I'd be cool with that.

What I really hate is the scripted, stilted storyline with zero option to skip the cut-scenes (or better yet, just turn them off).

Seriously, what the hell are they thinking not allowing players to skip cut-scenes or disable them? Are they afraid that everyone would just skip them? If they are, then they seriously need to ask themselves why they're putting them in it in the first place. It vapid logic. It just annoys those players who don't like them.

[JasonMartin]

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All would be good if we were allowed to skip these corny scenes. Some of them are cringe worthy.

The amount of loading it takes to get things done is mindblowing.

I accidently left at the start and could see the whole Kobe intro again.