PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

[BigDaddyHolmes]

So, let me get this straight.

I have a gtx 970 OC/ 4790k OC/ 16GB ram and I can't even run the game consistently over 60 fps with ultra/ 2x msaa settings, and they can get the ps4 pro to 4k 60 fps?

That tells me how bad they are screwing over the pc fanbase.

[fluent2332]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

So, let me get this straight.

I have a gtx 970 OC/ 4790k OC/ 16GB ram and I can't even run the game consistently over 60 fps with ultra/ 2x msaa settings, and they can get the ps4 pro to 4k 60 fps?

That tells me how bad they are screwing over the pc fanbase.

Strike that and reverse it. That tells me that the PS4 Pro version is going to be far from a PC with ultra settings.

I have almost the same PC as you and 2K16 wouldn't even hit a consistent 60 FPS @ 4K on the highest settings. If I recall it would dip around 45 during live action.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

Strike that and reverse it. That tells me that the PS4 Pro version is going to be far from a PC with ultra settings.

I have almost the same PC as you and 2K16 wouldn't even hit a consistent 60 FPS @ 4K on the highest settings. If I recall it would dip around 45 during live action.

I doubt the game will be ultra settings . Also keep in mind that running a game on Pc is different from running a game on PS4.

[fluent2332]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

I doubt the game will be ultra settings . Also keep in mind that running a game on Pc is different from running a game on PS4.

In the end it comes down to processing power, though. A console with lesser specs than a powerful gaming PC is not going to be able to play games at the same settings the gaming PC would be able to.

The PS4 Pro will probably be 4K @ 60 FPS as advertised, but barring some miracle you're not going to get maximum graphical settings at that framerate like you would on a powerful (and much more expensive) gaming PC.

The console will also look better than previous consoles, sure. It will most likely look really nice on a nice 4K TV, too. Some of us already have had games on PC in 4K looking beautiful on a 4K TV (shameless plug for my YouTube channel - Search for "Oblivion Let's Play in 4K" and you'll see my 4K Let's Play I uploaded awhile back).

However, even a game like Witcher 3, for example, in 4K @ 60 FPS and Ultra settings is going to take a graphics card even more powerful and expensive than what I have. I could probably run Witcher 3 @ 4K - 60 FPS on Medium or so (haven't tried) and I have a graphics card that ALONE costs the same amount of money as the PS4 Pro console!

[dwnz]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

In the end it comes down to processing power, though. A console with lesser specs than a powerful gaming PC is not going to be able to play games at the same settings the gaming PC would be able to.

The PS4 Pro will probably be 4K @ 60 FPS as advertised, but barring some miracle you're not going to get maximum graphical settings at that framerate like you would on a powerful (and much more expensive) gaming PC.

The console will also look better than previous consoles, sure. It will most likely look really nice on a nice 4K TV, too. Some of us already have had games on PC in 4K looking beautiful on a 4K TV (shameless plug for my YouTube channel - Search for "Oblivion Let's Play in 4K" and you'll see my 4K Let's Play I uploaded awhile back).

However, even a game like Witcher 3, for example, in 4K @ 60 FPS and Ultra settings is going to take a graphics card even more powerful and expensive than what I have. I could probably run Witcher 3 @ 4K - 60 FPS on Medium or so (haven't tried) and I have a graphics card that ALONE costs the same amount of money as the PS4 Pro console!

I don't think anybody (including 2K) have claimed it would be at the equivalent of PC ultra settings (or even anything close), so I'm not sure why that is even being debated.

[joosegoose]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

Strike that and reverse it. That tells me that the PS4 Pro version is going to be far from a PC with ultra settings.

I have almost the same PC as you and 2K16 wouldn't even hit a consistent 60 FPS @ 4K on the highest settings. If I recall it would dip around 45 during live action.

I think it's going to be some of both. Some settings will have to be reduced of course, but the game also is/will be much more optimized for PS4 than it is for PC right now. Heck, try even taking a PC with a 750ti (matches a console) right now and getting it to run the same as it does on XB1/PS4. I don't think you'd come very close.

[fluent2332]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

I don't think anybody (including 2K) have claimed it would be at the equivalent of PC ultra settings (or even anything close), so I'm not sure why that is even being debated.

Right, they leave that part out of the marketing. You have to think of how the "average consumer" views this type of marketing. If you asked one of them about the 4K consoles they likely think the graphics will be the best-of-the-best because they are 4K. It was just an observation I made on how they are marketing these 4K consoles.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

I think it's going to be some of both. Some settings will have to be reduced of course, but the game also is/will be much more optimized for PS4 than it is for PC right now. Heck, try even taking a PC with a 750ti (matches a console) right now and getting it to run the same as it does on XB1/PS4. I don't think you'd come very close.

That's the key word -optimized

[Impetuous65]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

I doubt the game will be ultra settings . Also keep in mind that running a game on Pc is different from running a game on PS4.

Comparing a Console to a PC, in terms of Video Games is one

A console is a dedicated device, and the PS4 can be coded to the metal, they know exactly what the over head is and what it is sharing resources with. Hence why Console manufacturers will put 8GB of Ram in their system and take away 1gb of ram for the OS and reduce the cost off that OS memory over time once they get better at coding to the system. So a dev starts out with 7gb of ram and a dedicated device.

A PC has so much stuff that need resources that are running behind the scene and are sharing resources with several programs, that is why a your PC can't handle what a dedicated device can.

Furthermore we don't know the complete break down of the PS4 Pro because they haven't made it public, especially the custom chips.

[fluent2332]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

Comparing a Console to a PC, in terms of Video Games is one

A console is a dedicated device, and the PS4 can be coded to the metal, they know exactly what the over head is and what it is sharing resources with. Hence why Console manufacturers will put 8GB of Ram in their system and take away 1gb of ram for the OS and reduce the cost off that OS memory over time once they get better at coding to the system. So a dev starts out with 7gb of ram and a dedicated device.

A PC has so much stuff that need resources that are running behind the scene and are sharing resources with several programs, that is why a your PC can't handle what a dedicated device can.

Furthermore we don't know the complete break down of the PS4 Pro because they haven't made it public, especially the custom chips.

My PC can't handle what a "dedicated device" can? That's not true. A powerful PC rig will handle anything a console can do and still have resources to spare (as it's been for many years now).

It's nice that they can develop for a "dedicated device" but even with Windows 10 running and several apps open a powerful PC can do more than a console, lol. Also, the latest consoles are basically back to PC-style architecture anyway.

I'm not saying consoles are bad or anything. They serve their purpose (for now, until PC gaming in the living room becomes more of a common thing). They have a large community of players and exclusive games, etc.

[DreamAgain]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

The main reason you guys can't run 2k17 @ 4k60 on PC is most likely VRAM limitations. The 970 is limited to 3.5gb of VRAM and 2k is using 4gb+. Simply put - the 970 is not a 4k capable GPU in most scenarios. It's more of a 1440p (or maybe even 1080p at this point) card.

Consoles on the other hand are designed differently and can take full advantage of their 8gb of ram.

This is why, in general, most console ports on PC have been getting out of control on vram usage. It's a mix between poor optimization and just how the game engines are designed in general. Properly optimized games or PC exclusives are using much less VRAM than the typical lazy console port.


And yes the PS4 Pro is as powerful or more than a 970. It's using a card slightly lower than RX 480 specs which is slightly faster than a 970.

[fluent2332]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

The main reason you guys can't run 2k17 @ 4k60 on PC is most likely VRAM limitations. The 970 is limited to 3.5gb of VRAM and 2k is using 4gb+. Simply put - the 970 is not a 4k capable GPU in most scenarios. It's more of a 1440p (or maybe even 1080p at this point) card.

Consoles on the other hand are designed differently and can take full advantage of their 8gb of ram.

This is why, in general, most console ports on PC have been getting out of control on vram usage. It's a mix between poor optimization and just how the game engines are designed in general. Properly optimized games or PC exclusives are using much less VRAM than the typical lazy console port.


And yes the PS4 Pro is as powerful or more than a 970. It's using a card slightly lower than RX 480 specs which is slightly faster than a 970.

I have played several games in 4K on Ultra settings @ 60 FPS with the 970, but they were older games. Not being able to play 2K in 4K @ 60 FPS on Ultra is because the card is not good enough overall. The 970 isn't even recommended as a 4K card to begin with. Most people would tell you that you can't do serious 4K gaming with a 970 (with modern games, anyway).

[Impetuous65]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

My PC can't handle what a "dedicated device" can? That's not true. A powerful PC rig will handle anything a console can do and still have resources to spare (as it's been for many years now).

It's nice that they can develop for a "dedicated device" but even with Windows 10 running and several apps open a powerful PC can do more than a console, lol. Also, the latest consoles are basically back to PC-style architecture anyway.

I'm not saying consoles are bad or anything. They serve their purpose (for now, until PC gaming in the living room becomes more of a common thing). They have a large community of players and exclusive games, etc.

The statement I made had nothing to do with your personal computer. I'm talking about in general. People always try to make this argument based on a 1 to 1 comparison. It was the same mistake digital foundry made based on public info without actually seeing the games. Once he saw the games he had to retract his statement. You can't compare X GPU has X amount of flops on my PC is stronger than a $400.00 dollar machine. And the reason is simple there is so much over head on a PC with what they are sharing resources with.

[fluent2332]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

The statement I made had nothing to do with your personal computer. I'm talking about in general. People always try to make this argument based on a 1 to 1 comparison. It was the same mistake digital foundry made based on public info without actually seeing the games. Once he saw the games he had to retract his statement. You can't compare X GPU has X amount of flops on my PC is stronger than a $400.00 dollar machine. And the reason is simple there is so much over head on a PC with what they are sharing resources with.

This doesn't really address what I said, though.

If the PS4 Pro's GPU is "slightly faster" than a 970 GTX, then in my opinion that is not going to be a card that can really play a graphically demanding modern game on ULTRA settings at 4K and maintain 60 FPS.

On low or medium settings, maybe the "slightly faster" 970 GTX can do 4K @ 60 FPS. But that's my whole point. Average consumers see buzzwords like "native 4K", "60 FPS" and "checkerboard rendering" and could get the idea that this console is a little more advanced than it possibly may be.

I'll wait and see but I'd be pretty amazed if a new $400 console can have as advanced graphics as a great gaming PC. It just doesn't add up, IMO.

[DreamAgain]

Re: PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

This doesn't really address what I said, though.

If the PS4 Pro's GPU is "slightly faster" than a 970 GTX, then in my opinion that is not going to be a card that can really play a graphically demanding modern game on ULTRA settings at 4K and maintain 60 FPS.

On low or medium settings, maybe the "slightly faster" 970 GTX can do 4K @ 60 FPS. But that's my whole point. Average consumers see buzzwords like "native 4K", "60 FPS" and "checkerboard rendering" and could get the idea that this console is a little more advanced than it possibly may be.

I'll wait and see but I'd be pretty amazed if a new $400 console can have as advanced graphics as a great gaming PC. It just doesn't add up, IMO.

Nobody is claiming that it will.

Also you have to remember most games will be targeting 30 FPS on the PS4 Pro because console gamers are tards and think it's just fine.