Madden NFL 17 Title Update #2 Available Now For Xbox One & PS4 - Details Included

[cable guy]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #2 Available Now For Xbox One & PS4 - Details Included

It's weird re: difficulty levels because before the patch, AM was playing a much straighter game than I'd ever seen in Madden. I wasn't seeing the false steps by defenders who would run away from the play to create opportunities from the CPU, I was seeing balanced QB play, etc. It became my default level this year.

Then, after the patch, AM started playing like the AM of old and AP seemed much more balanced. The tell for me was the fact that every game for the CPU became a 500-yard, 40-point affair, regardless of the CPU team talent, and with no major changes to my style of play.

I'm sure they didn't intend for side effects like this to happen, but it seems to me that the levels play very differently after the patch.

A related issue that I'm seeing on both AP and AM is the nerfing of the pass rush. Pre-patch, I was seeing lots of edge pressure and as good a variety of pass rushes as Madden can deliver, but post-patch, I'm seeing all rushers get super-glued to the OL for the duration of the play more often than not. This is contributing to massive offensive numbers for the CPU because of the lack of pass rush.

Weird.

I'd like to echo this 100%. I really never touched AM ever. Once or twice for a combined 5 minutes. Always played all-pro. This year AP was off. For me anyway. Way off. So combined with AM's gameplay and charter's sliders it was as good a football game I could ever imagine. Patch comes, and we all know the rest. Anyway I had a great game against the Giants last night, lost actually. The game played great. And alot of fun. Can't wait to play tonight. I'm currently on disconnect from Internet.

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[Smallville102001]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #2 Available Now For Xbox One & PS4 - Details Included

How did you quantify "less bad passes"?

That is a good question but its been noticeable night and day difference. Before the patch with CPU accuracy at 33 and me at 23 ever game me and the CPU would have at least a few passes where a guy was open and where the ball was over thrown or under thrown etc. After patch with my accuracy at 20 and CPU at 30 I have been seeing like zero over thrown/under thrown passes. The only way I have been seeing incompletions are when the coverage is like perfect or WR drops pass or there is pressure on the passer. I just played a game with my accuracy at 15 and CPU at 20 and my completion % was like 72 and CPU was like 52. Before the patch 15 user accuracy was like so bad it was unplayable yet now with patch I ended up having over 70% in a game with my accuracy that low. Run blocking/broken tackles and passing accuracy are different with this patch. I am seeing way less broken tackles with the same tacking settings post patch then I was seeing pre patch and way less holes to run to has while. With this patch run blocking needs to be increased and QB accuracy and tackling needs to be lowered.

[roadman]

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That is a good question but its been noticeable night and day difference. Before the patch with CPU accuracy at 33 and me at 23 ever game me and the CPU would have at least a few passes where a guy was open and where the ball was over thrown or under thrown etc. After patch with my accuracy at 20 and CPU at 30 I have been seeing like zero over thrown/under thrown passes. The only way I have been seeing incompletions are when the coverage is like perfect or WR drops pass or there is pressure on the passer. I just played a game with my accuracy at 15 and CPU at 20 and my completion % was like 72 and CPU was like 52. Before the patch 15 user accuracy was like so bad it was unplayable yet now with patch I ended up having over 70% in a game with my accuracy that low. Run blocking/broken tackles and passing accuracy are different with this patch. I am seeing way less broken tackles with the same tacking settings post patch then I was seeing pre patch and way less holes to run to has while. With this patch run blocking needs to be increased and QB accuracy and tackling needs to be lowered.

I mentioned to JoshC(slider maker I been referencing) that I had everything on AP except lowered QB ACC and I saw lower RB avgs. He said it's probably because your QB Acc settings are set too low.

[Smallville102001]

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I mentioned to JoshC(slider maker I been referencing) that I had everything on AP except lowered QB ACC and I saw lower RB avgs. He said it's probably because your QB Acc settings are set too low.

You are saying that QB setting effects the running game? What? I have never heard that before.

[miknhoj1983]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #2 Available Now For Xbox One & PS4 - Details Included

So I deleted the patch and turned off my internet and redownloaded the game.

It is sooooooooo much better. Only annoying thing is that the first patch must have added auto assignments (no longer an option in CFM). Very happy to go back though.


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[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 17 Title Update #2 Available Now For Xbox One & PS4 - Details Included

You are saying that QB setting effects the running game? What? I have never heard that before.

It's theories and opinions that have been tested for several years.

[Smallville102001]

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It's theories and opinions that have been tested for several years.

I have heard theories that Penalties have an affect on gameplay but I have never heard any thing about QB accuracy affecting run blocking. Man people have crazy theories.

[roadman]

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I have heard theories that Penalties have an affect on gameplay but I have never heard any thing about QB accuracy affecting run blocking. Man people have crazy theories.

They may be crazy to you, but for them, it's been tested.

[Smallville102001]

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They may be crazy to you, but for them, it's been tested.

While I swear when it comes to madden people think ever thing effects something that it is not suppose to effect. Do you have a link to his testing?

[roadman]

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While I swear when it comes to madden people think ever thing effects something that it is not suppose to effect. Do you have a link to his testing?

You need to check out his slider thread in the slider forum.

As I mentioned, he said it to me on Twitch today.

He's been testing sliders for several years with Madden and NCAA.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...7-sliders.html

[Smallville102001]

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You need to check out his slider thread in the slider forum.

As I mentioned, he said it to me on Twitch today.

He's been testing sliders for several years with Madden and NCAA.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...7-sliders.html

So looking at that he is using just about default all pro?

[GrayDawg]

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I can understand the skepticism when it comes to penalties. I have tweaked penalties from 50 to to 65 in the past few madden games finding a good balance and didn't see much effect in game play in that range.

Maybe you see more effect with sliders all the way up. But I did put defensive holding all the way to 99 and didn't see a difference from 50. I eventually moved it down to 63 because I was getting calls even though it was set at 50 in game so I am keeping it there until it gets fixed.

On another topic, I sure wish they would fix QB a.i. I have been averaging 4 sacks a game with the latest tuner and it would help me out if the CPU would throw it away or scramble instead of just standing there or continuing to run backwards. Some of these sacks are really dumb and half of the time I am not usering the player.

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

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I can understand the skepticism when it comes to penalties. I have tweaked penalties from 50 to to 65 in the past few madden games finding a good balance and didn't see much effect in game play in that range.

Maybe you see more effect with sliders all the way up. But I did put defensive holding all the way to 99 and didn't see a difference from 50. I eventually moved it down to 63 because I was getting calls even though it was set at 50 in game so I am keeping it there until it gets fixed.

On another topic, I sure wish they would fix QB a.i. I have been averaging 4 sacks a game with the latest tuner and it would help me out if the CPU would throw it away or scramble instead of just standing there or continuing to run backwards. Some of these sacks are really dumb and half of the time I am not usering the player.

If the fixed the QB AI no one would ever get sacks because they have nerfed pass rush so much. In other words fixing the AI would require fixing pass rush, but that would require fixing offensive line and general oline/dline interactions.

[GrayDawg]

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If the fixed the QB AI no one would ever get sacks because they have nerfed pass rush so much. In other words fixing the AI would require fixing pass rush, but that would require fixing offensive line and general oline/dline interactions.

You know that point where they are pedaling and pedaling forever. Throw the ball away already! When you have a nose tackle getting sacks and no one is open for like 8 seconds. Give it up already! At least fix that.

[Essex Blue]

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I played a huge amount of Madden over the weekend - went from Week six of my first season right up to pre-season one of season two.

I think the game is playing well on All Pro. I'm not finding field goals as easy as some of you - they're missable if you lose concentration or make a mistake, which makes sense to me. The AI is missing them too.

I'm seeing plenty of inaccurate QB throws. Which is nice. I saw the QB run an option play the other day (Cam I think) which looked great and fooled me completely. I even saw a DPI call yesterday which I've never seen on default penalty sliders.

The commentary sucks.

One thing I'm seeing a lot of though and I'm not seeing mentioned elsewhere is facemask penalties. Since the weekend I've averaged probably four a game, both sides of the ball. Is this normal?