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  • jyoung
    Hall Of Fame
    • Dec 2006
    • 11157

    #16
    Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

    Originally posted by bhzmfia14
    Please don't tell me they have a similar scoring system as last season....

    What's wrong with a simple win/loss double elimination tournament
    I tried to read thoroughly to see what gets you qualified and is it just like last year?

    That system........eh..........
    People figured out the point system and it showed heavily the last 3-4 qualification rounds in RTTF last year. Not to mention the boosting that was going on to get in by any means necessary. Top 16 teams should've made the tournament on each console IMO. This points system is super suspect.
    I don't know a single person in the Pro Am community who liked the points-based system from 2K16, and I cannot understand why 2K is using it again this year after all of the negative feedback it received last year.

    This is the only gaming tournament I have ever seen where stat padding and blowing out bad teams is rewarded over beating good teams in close, competitive contests. Plus any team that likes to play basketball at a slow, methodical pace instantly has no chance of qualifying in a system that favors high scores and high margins of victory. That same issue hurts teams who like to take 2 point shots over 3 point shots; you are inherently at a disadvantage in this system if you're not fastbreaking as much as possible and hunting for a three pointer every single possession.

    The thing that disappoints me the most about this tournament structure is how 2K used to have a much better qualifying system on the Xbox 360 with games like College Hoops 2K8 and All Pro Football 2K8, where your advancement was only based on winning, with no weight being put on margin of victory.

    Collusion also wasn't possible in the old College Hoops/All Pro Football tournaments, because players were put into a March Madness style bracket instead of the blind matchmaking system that was used for 2K16 and is returning for 2K17, which can easily be abused if two team captains with similar rankings and a similar geographic location get into the same party chat and press the search button at the exact same time.

    The fact that 2K still hasn't done anything to penalize all of the 98 overall glitchers who have 15 extra attribute upgrades compared to people who've played the game fairly just makes this tournament even less legitimate than last year's debacle.
    Last edited by jyoung; 12-14-2016, 04:41 PM.

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    • Korrupted
      Pro
      • Nov 2015
      • 923

      #17
      Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

      Originally posted by jyoung
      The fact that 2K still hasn't done anything to penalize all of the 98 overall glitchers who have 15 extra attribute upgrades that people who've played the game fairly do not have just makes this tournament even less legitimate than last year's debacle.


      10**. A simple solution would be to put the remaining upgrades back in MyCareer rather than have people play 7k games in the Park to earn them. I have no clue who idea that was from the start but it was a horrible one.

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      • Ownal0t
        MVP
        • Jul 2014
        • 1249

        #18
        Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

        ima have my popcorn ready for this **** show.

        last year was epic leading into the tourny. now we have more flawed gameplay, buggier servers and the glitched 98s? WITH THE POINTS SYSTEM?

        LOL

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        • Coffinsh
          NBA 2K17 Online Producer
          • Sep 2016
          • 38

          #19
          Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

          Originally posted by jyoung
          I don't know a single person in the Pro Am community who liked the points-based system from 2K16, and I cannot understand why 2K is using it again this year after all of the negative feedback it received last year.

          This is the only gaming tournament I have ever seen where stat padding and blowing out bad teams is rewarded over beating good teams in close, competitive contests. Plus any team that likes to play basketball at a slow, methodical pace instantly has no chance of qualifying in a system that favors high scores and high margins of victory. That same issue hurts teams who like to take 2 point shots over 3 point shots; you are inherently at a disadvantage in this system if you're not fastbreaking as much as possible and hunting for a three pointer every single possession.

          The thing that disappoints me the most about this tournament structure is how 2K used to have a much better qualifying system on the Xbox 360 with games like College Hoops 2K8 and All Pro Football 2K8, where your advancement was only based on winning, with no weight being put on margin of victory.

          Collusion also wasn't possible in the old College Hoops/All Pro Football tournaments, because players were put into a March Madness style bracket instead of the blind matchmaking system that was used for 2K16 and is returning for 2K17, which can easily be abused if two team captains with similar rankings and a similar geographic location get into the same party chat and press the search button at the exact same time.

          The fact that 2K still hasn't done anything to penalize all of the 98 overall glitchers who have 15 extra attribute upgrades compared to people who've played the game fairly just makes this tournament even less legitimate than last year's debacle.
          The majority of weight is still placed on winning. It wasn't listed in the post but its in the rules on the website. Once a team loses they are done for the day (they can try and qualify in later rounds). This should A, cut down on collusion and B, assure that teams who win the most games, qualify.

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          • awg811
            Pro
            • Jul 2009
            • 777

            #20
            Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

            If you expect this to run smoothly or work as intended in any way, you've not been paying attention since NBA 2k17 released.

            Not one single thing they have tried, promised, claimed, fixed, worked on, or patched has even come close to working.

            2 months and 7 patches and we're still playing a broken game.

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            • jax01
              Banned
              • Jul 2016
              • 141

              #21
              Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

              I wish 2K would focus on fair competition

              1) Get rid of the double team and intentional foul glitch (hella annoying legacy glitch). Pressing LB = defensive awareness boost glitch. Part of the reason CPU has such sticky hands on defense.

              2) Get rid of CPU PLAYS in a MANUAL MODE smh

              3) Attribute boosts allowed?

              4) HOF Sharpshooters are OP

              5) 98 OVR glitchers



              With $250k on the line, you'd think the #1 priority would be to make the competition fair.

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              • basehead617
                Rookie
                • Apr 2006
                • 462

                #22
                Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

                Originally posted by awg811
                If you expect this to run smoothly or work as intended in any way, you've not been paying attention since NBA 2k17 released.

                Not one single thing they have tried, promised, claimed, fixed, worked on, or patched has even come close to working.

                2 months and 7 patches and we're still playing a broken game.
                You're wrong. The game is great and has gotten better since launch. Claiming it's 'broken' is ridiculous.

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                • Korrupted
                  Pro
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 923

                  #23
                  Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

                  Originally posted by basehead617
                  You're wrong. The game is great and has gotten better since launch. Claiming it's 'broken' is ridiculous.


                  PRO-AM is still broken if you don't know what you're doing. Elite 4 and higher games continue to have random lagouts. That's a huge issue heading into the qualifying rounds for RTTAG.


                  On another note I'm thinking the Skill Based Matchmaking system will be turned off once the tourney starts....? If not comp will play comp and it'll be hard as hell to qualify.

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                  • RickyRubio9
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 247

                    #24
                    Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

                    Less tournaments and more fixes for this broken game.

                    We have enough with the cap atributtes for not separate online/offline modes and with VC more and more expensive every year.

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                    • awg811
                      Pro
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 777

                      #25
                      Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

                      Originally posted by basehead617
                      You're wrong. The game is great and has gotten better since launch. Claiming it's 'broken' is ridiculous.
                      You're either trolling or you can't read.

                      Thousands of posts all throughout this forum on how broken this game is.
                      But, since YOU say it ridiculous to claim it is, it must not be.

                      I bow to your supreme intelligence.

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                      • Mike2001
                        Pro
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 719

                        #26
                        Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

                        OH GREAT! Here we go again, i have no desire to go through this crap again lol. I just play for fun not stress lol

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                        • Ownal0t
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2014
                          • 1249

                          #27
                          Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

                          Originally posted by basehead617
                          You're wrong. The game is great and has gotten better since launch. Claiming it's 'broken' is ridiculous.
                          LMFAO...... i think a MAJORITY of the community would glady disagree. played a online match for the first time in ages last night....

                          that paint Defense was so sad it made Live's attempt of it look like it was top caliber, And i say this LOVING LIVE.

                          dont even get me started on pro am and park...

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                          • bhzmfia14
                            Rookie
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 174

                            #28
                            Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

                            Originally posted by Coffinsh
                            The majority of weight is still placed on winning. It wasn't listed in the post but its in the rules on the website. Once a team loses they are done for the day (they can try and qualify in later rounds). This should A, cut down on collusion and B, assure that teams who win the most games, qualify.
                            But, how does this place into the matchmaking system? If teams are still being matched up with their friends on a consistent basis to boost their point total + winning games, how will that stop them from making the tourney?

                            There may be teams who beat higher quality opponents, went 10-0, but were unfortunate to beat teams by 75 points in order to get in the top 3.
                            PSN: bhzmafia14

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                            • jyoung
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 11157

                              #29
                              Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

                              I'm sure that there will be more than 3 teams in each qualifying period who go undefeated; If I had to estimate, I'd put that number at around 10 to 20 teams per qualifying period. And once you have more than 3 undefeated teams, the "winners" of that round are going to be the teams who had:

                              1) The easiest schedule
                              2) The lowest number of opponents who rage quit or lag out (assuming those games still give you hardly any rankings points)
                              3) The most up-tempo, three-point spamming offenses and steal spamming defenses

                              That's just not a very good method of determining who is the "best" Pro Am team.

                              All-Pro Football 2K8's 256-player and College Hoops 2K8's 64-player single-elimination knockout tournaments were two of the most enjoyable online experiences I've ever had in gaming, and I do not understand why 2K can't do something similar for NBA 2K17.

                              Every single person that I've talked to in the Pro Am community would prefer to compete in a large "March Madness" style knockout tournament with a "regular season" qualification system similar to the one that I proposed last year.

                              2K already has a tiered ladder system in the game this year. So why not just reset everyone's records on January 1, give all Pro Am teams until 12:01 AM on February 1 to reach a certain tier in the existing rankings ladder (I'd say elite 2 is a reasonable target point), and then put all the teams who reach that level into a knockout tournament that starts on February 4.

                              This would allow teams to get in their qualifying games whenever they're able to, instead of forcing people to take off work and forego lunch/dinner to have a marathon 2K session on a single date that everyone might not be able to make.

                              To cut down on matchmaking collusion during the qualifying period, I would add a randomized amount of "stall time" that the user cannot see before the game actually starts searching for an opponent once the team owner has pressed the search button. So if two people are in the same party chat and they both hit the search for opponent button at the same time, the game might actually start searching for a match 5 seconds later on team 1's account, and 25 seconds later on team 2's account.
                              Last edited by jyoung; 12-15-2016, 10:28 PM.

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                              • NYCDaFuture
                                Rookie
                                • Nov 2007
                                • 316

                                #30
                                Re: NBA 2K17 All-Star Tournament Announced, NBA 2K Pro-Am Winner Receives $250,000 &

                                Originally posted by jyoung
                                I'm sure that there will be more than 3 teams in each qualifying period who go undefeated; If I had to estimate, I'd put that number at around 10 to 20 teams per qualifying period. And once you have more than 3 undefeated teams, the "winners" of that round are going to be the teams who had:

                                1) The easiest schedule
                                2) The lowest number of opponents who rage quit or lag out (assuming those games still give you hardly any rankings points)
                                3) The most up-tempo, three-point spamming offenses and steal spamming defenses

                                That's just not a very good method of determining who is the "best" Pro Am team.

                                All-Pro Football 2K8's 256-player and College Hoops 2K8's 64-player single-elimination knockout tournaments were two of the most enjoyable online experiences I've ever had in gaming, and I do not understand why 2K can't do something similar for NBA 2K17.

                                Every single person that I've talked to in the Pro Am community would prefer to compete in a large "March Madness" style knockout tournament with a "regular season" qualification system similar to the one that I proposed last year.

                                2K already has a tiered ladder system in the game this year. So why not just reset everyone's records on January 1, give all Pro Am teams until 12:01 AM on February 1 to reach a certain tier in the existing rankings ladder (I'd say elite 2 is a reasonable target point), and then put all the teams who reach that level into a knockout tournament that starts on February 4.

                                This would allow teams to get in their qualifying games whenever they're able to, instead of forcing people to take off work and forego lunch/dinner to have a marathon 2K session on a single date that everyone might not be able to make.

                                To cut down on matchmaking collusion during the qualifying period, I would add a randomized amount of "stall time" that the user cannot see before the game actually starts searching for an opponent once the team owner has pressed the search button. So if two people are in the same party chat and they both hit the search for opponent button at the same time, the game might actually start searching for a match 5 seconds later on team 1's account, and 25 seconds later on team 2's account.

                                I was reading your post on my phone and I had to go on my laptop and applaud you bro. You and a few others on here like myself really get it. I for the life of me do not UNDERSTAND Y 2k is doing the SAME EXACT Scoring Pts System. Not anyone who was a Pro Am Player liked that system. Yet it's 2k Way Or No Way. I really don't understand but then others will say we just hating lmao. Maybe 2k will one day understand how TRUE Esports Rankings/competition is one day.. Who knows only time will tell.
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