Official Madden NFL 17 Roster Update For Week 16 Available Now

[KANE699]

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He didn't play the full games when he got there because he was learning a new playbook. As you pointed out his tAckles per game were increasing over time as he played more. And if you add the tackles he has all together he's around the 9 tackles a game mark for them. I just don't see how you could justify dropping him 10 overall points just because he's on the Browns now.

It's how he's playing, has nothing to do with what team he plays on, and no he doesn't average 9 tackles a game with Cleveland.

He averages 6 solo tackles a game and the only reason it's that high is because of the one 13 tackle performance.

If he is still so amazing why did he drop out of the top 10 on PFF so quickly?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CollJa00.htm

[noplace]

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How is Dez Bryant still in the 90's? He's been very average this year.

[MoneyOvaHuds]

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It's to emulate rust, its hard for a player to get better when they are sitting out for a whole year, look at Orlando Scandrick, perfect example.

But why was he rated a 71 on launch when his play shows otherwise and if that's the case of Rust then let his play show that and not assume such . What he returns next year and plays well ? Then we will have to wait each week for him to advance in ratings all over again when he should have been rated much higher to begin with .


Just saying let the players performance on the field dictate their rating

[StefJoeHalt]

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I think..the use of PFF shouldn't be the end all be all to stats..but also I think people need to take a step back on slamming ratings too..look trying to adjust ratings within a week to week time frame is silly..in my opinion it takes a full year to get a handle on each player and if their play has risen or fallen


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[KANE699]

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How is Dez Bryant still in the 90's? He's been very average this year.

His yards per reception is the highest in his career at 15.8 and if Dak could properly place a back shoulder fad he would have 4 more touchdowns easily.

Watch him on film, definitely hasn't been a down year for him.

[KANE699]

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But why was he rated a 71 on launch when his play shows otherwise and if that's the case of Rust then let his play show that and not assume such . What he returns next year and plays well ? Then we will have to wait each week for him to advance in ratings all over again when he should have been rated much higher to begin with .


Just saying let the players performance on the field dictate their rating

You know what you're right, he had been playing so well he was on how many teams in a 2 year span?

[KANE699]

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I think..the use of PFF shouldn't be the end all be all to stats..but also I think people need to take a step back on slamming ratings too..look trying to adjust ratings within a week to week time frame is silly..in my opinion it takes a full year to get a handle on each player and if their play has risen or fallen


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Week to week changes are really difficult for sure, and just as a heads up PFF isn't the end all be all.

[MoneyOvaHuds]

Official Madden NFL 17 Roster Update For Week 16 Available Now

You know what you're right, he had been playing so well he was on how many teams in a 2 year span?

You really going to use this as your main excuse ? Horrible logic



Boykin came into the NFL in 2012 with the eagles and spent 3 years there their best Nickel DB . In his 4th year he was traded to the Steelers by who of course chip Kelly who was moving everyone and is a horrible coach and Roster evaluator . Eagles fans were dumbfounded by the move and angry with chip .


In his season with the Steelers and him the coaches didn't get along and they didn't use him till later in the season and what do you know he played well as the stats and pff showed above .

After last season he was a free agent and signed with the Carolina Panthers the was released like a month later with a " injury risk or concern "

Brandon Boykin who never missed an NFL game in his career


Boykin then signed with my Chicago Bears and would have made our roster but he was placed on IR with a pectoral injury in August which you just now put him on IR in this recent update .

So don't say stuff like he's so good he's been on how many teams in a 2 year span because if you don't know the situations maybe you shouldn't comment on it cuz it def wasn't about his play which the stats show he's been solid .


Brandon Boykin who was 2nd in coverage in 2013 , 19th in 2014 then last season ranked the 23rd best Corner out 119 via PFF .

Brandon Marshall is good and is about to be moved again this offseason his 3rd team in 4 years .....

[KANE699]

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He didn't play the full games when he got there because he was learning a new playbook. As you pointed out his tAckles per game were increasing over time as he played more. And if you add the tackles he has all together he's around the 9 tackles a game mark for them. I just don't see how you could justify dropping him 10 overall points just because he's on the Browns now.

Wish this guy wouldn't of been banned, he acts as if he dropped 10 ovr in a matter of one week which simply isn't true

[KANE699]

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You really going to use this as your main excuse ? Horrible logic



Boykin came into the NFL in 2012 with the eagles and spent 3 years there their best Nickel DB . In his 4th year he was traded to the Steelers by who of course chip Kelly who was moving everyone and is a horrible coach and Roster evaluator . Eagles fans were dumbfounded by the move and angry with chip .


In his season with the Steelers and him the coaches didn't get along and they didn't use him till later in the season and what do you know he played well as the stats and pff showed above .

After last season he was a free agent and signed with the Carolina Panthers the was released like a month later with a " injury risk or concern "

Brandon Boykin who never missed an NFL game in his career


Boykin then signed with my Chicago Bears and would have made our roster but he was placed on IR with a pectoral injury in August which you just now put him on IR in this recent update .

So don't say stuff like he's so good he's been on how many teams in a 2 year span because if you don't know the situations maybe you shouldn't comment on it cuz it def wasn't about his play which the stats show he's been solid .


Brandon Boykin who was 2nd in coverage in 2013 , 19th in 2014 then last season ranked the 23rd best Corner out 119 via PFF .

Brandon Marshall is good and is about to be moved again this offseason his 3rd team in 4 years .....

He was supposed to be on IR all year, was an oversight, I could of sworn he was already on IR but he wasn't so I corrected the mistake.

The fact you are torn up about a guy who hasn't actually done anything since 2014 is concerning to me, it seems like you're pushing for this guy to be better because the other corners on the roster aren't as good as you'd hoped.

It's also more concerning you just keep mentioning his ovr rating instead of his coverage ratings which are the most important. As everyone says, PFF isn't the end all be all.

I decided to give him a minor tweak and his ovr just happened to go up to a 70, this is likely where he will remain till 18.

[MoneyOvaHuds]

Official Madden NFL 17 Roster Update For Week 16 Available Now

He was supposed to be on IR all year, was an oversight, I could of sworn he was already on IR but he wasn't so I corrected the mistake.

The fact you are torn up about a guy who hasn't actually done anything since 2014 is concerning to me, it seems like you're pushing for this guy to be better because the other corners on the roster aren't as good as you'd hoped.

It's also more concerning you just keep mentioning his ovr rating instead of his coverage ratings which are the most important. As everyone says, PFF isn't the end all be all.

I decided to give him a minor tweak and his ovr just happened to go up to a 70, this is likely where he will remain till 18.

His coverage ratings which I didn't bring up are actually decent it's his awareness and play recognition that I brought which was the concern .


And for one don't assume on why I suggested this because I actually brought up at launch . I felt some guys could have been better mainly only Boykin and Bryce . I had no problem with Fuller or Porter our two top corners last year . Fuller was better despite being the number 2 but Porter is just bad and looked worse due to him being the number 1 Corner .


So what he hasn't made a crazy impact like the 2013 year but the fact is he still was one of the best nickels in the game in game and always has a solid grade . Awareness and play recognition is were I mainly have a problem with your scouting of him .

But I agree he shouldn't have any ratings increased because he hasn't played this year but he shouldn't have any decrease either because of that . My real problem is I just think he was underrated to begin with in general.

[KANE699]

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His coverage ratings which I didn't bring up are actually decent it's his awareness and play recognition that I brought which was the concern .


And for one don't assume on why I suggested this because I actually brought up at launch . I felt some guys could have been better mainly only Boykin and Bryce . I had no problem with Fuller or Porter our two top corners last year . Fuller was better despite being the number 2 but Porter is just bad and looked worse due to him being the number 1 Corner .


So what he hasn't made a crazy impact like the 2013 year but the fact is he still was one of the best nickels in the game in game and always has a solid grade . Awareness and play recognition is were I mainly have a problem with your scouting of him .

But I agree he shouldn't have any ratings increased because he hasn't played this year but he shouldn't have any decrease either because of that . My real problem is I just think he was underrated to begin with in general.

Those ratings are used more in the run game to begin with, with him being a cover corner and being on a few new teams in multiple years that's why those ratings are lower than you may expect. I always lower them when a player goes to a new team unless that team is literally the perfect fit for a player.

[vstro]

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Block shed is used vs the run

Has it been that way for years? I've always thought that block shedding was used in conjunction with power and finesse moves for pass rushing. If you don't mind talking a bit more about Ogbah.. what was the reasoning behind the recent drop in his block shedding? It seemed like he started the year doing pretty poorly against the run, but as of late he's been doing a lot better in that area.

[KANE699]

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Has it been that way for years? I've always thought that block shedding was used in conjunction with power and finesse moves for pass rushing. If you don't mind talking a bit more about Ogbah.. what was the reasoning behind the recent drop in his block shedding? It seemed like he started the year doing pretty poorly against the run, but as of late he's been doing a lot better in that area.

Oversight on my part was the reason for the big drop, also Block shed has always only been used vs the run, in conjunction with strength. Power and Finesse moves are strictly for pass rushing

[vstro]

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Oversight on my part was the reason for the big drop, also Block shed has always only been used vs the run, in conjunction with strength. Power and Finesse moves are strictly for pass rushing

Ohhh ok, that clears a few things up for me. Thanks for the response