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Old 01-07-2017, 08:08 AM   #28
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Re: Unrealistic with speed drops in CFM

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Originally Posted by ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
Two things:

(a) Look, saying players DON'T DECLINE IN SPEED AT ALL in their late 20s is worlds different than saying they don't decline at the rate Madden says they do. Madden makes them decline at a constant rate, which is unrealistic in the first place, and I argue it is too steep a decline early on. Consider the following:




The slowest WR in Madden has 81 speed. Thus we can call that the origin. The fastest WR is 97 speed. Thus our average of the two extremes is 89. Use that as the baseline.

Now normalize it with 81 as the origin. Then 89 transforms to 8. 8 is approximately the median speed of Wrs in Madden, with 0 the minimum and 16 the maximum.

So, after a player hits 27, they lose 2 points of speed, which is TWENTY FIVE PERCENT, with respect to the coordinates from which Madden issues speed ratings. Is it realistic for a player to lose 25% of their speed from 26 to 27? No sir it isn't.

What they ought to do instead is make the reduction of ratings a slow cubic curve, with the rate of change of reduction increasing with age. I.e., lose 1 point per year for the first three of years, then 2 points per year for the next two, then 3 points per year every year after.







(b) Where's your source? You're making a scientific claim regarding the bodies of elite athletes with access to the most advance medicine, so where's the source?

I'm sure you're in the ball park but I want to see the data. As for Steve Young, regardless of what he claimed, he was STILL fast as crap in 1995. You can look at the film and see he was very fast for a quarterback. Even in 1998 games (of which I own), he still runs pretty fast.


Anyway, Madden would fix the problem if they made the decline function a polynomial rather than a line. Start off with 1 point per year, and then after about 3 years raise it to 2 points per year, then after 2 years raise it to 3 points per year, and continue in a similar fashion until an asymptote is reached, and make the decline constant from there.





EDIT- regarding Moss: you don't need a hand timer to watch him burn people in 2007, 2008, 2009.
Also, we have to remember those numbers mean a certain 40 time. So, if the slowest wr in madden is an 81, that is he runs a 40 in 4.77 seconds. That is the slowest guy playing the position in the nfl at the start of your madden franchise. Fast forward 10 years and there are guys running a 5.00 or higher with overalls still in the 80's starting. If they are going to reduce physical skills to less than high school averages they need a way to get non nfl caliber players out of the game. This would be like the show having players with speed in the 50's leading the league in stolen bases because he reads pitchers well.
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