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[Offballer4life]

Enough is enough. Stay tuned.

[Offballer4life]

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Here's the deal.

I'm putting a few things together. I have an attorney in the family. I talked him about the Topps lawsuit regarding pack odds. He's very familiar with RICO cases. He asked me a ton of questions, which actually gave me a little hope.

The main conversation covered 2 things:
1. Pack odds. Plain and simple. No real explanation meeded, hopefully.

2. The possible correlation between money spent and "nerfing"/rubberbanding/equalizer. I have been consistently been putting cash into the game. Lucky for me, I've written down every single game score since release. On paper.

The friend was actually more interested in hearing about #2 bc he said that pack odds would take very little effort to convince a judge to rule in player's favor. Good news guys!

If it turns out that I can even come up with more-than-speculative evidence (ie my list will suffice for now....but I need more ppls records), he has offered to look into filing a suit at no cost.

I don't want to say too much more. But I will say one more thing......if there is a system/algorithm in place that lessens pack odds if more packs are opened, we could all be very happy customers.


Please discuss this. PM me to give me your lists/records. Need to be pix. I'll be posting more Monday afternoon.

[kabamaru]

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Unfortunately I am from Greece and we don not have same law system

Having said this it is will be very difficult to fight against such a big company, and as Ultimate Team mode is very common accross all games there will be probably a law enabling these (e.g you are paying for a pack with 5 cards and one player and this is what you get regardless etc and this type of bull****)

Just because it is unfair or unethical, doesn't mean it is not lawful

This is a terrible part of the world we live in.

I hope you do something about it, but most probable scenario is that you could go to a yearly fight against 100 lawyers with unlimited time and resources that will delay, delay, delay any process until you give up.

Anyway, I wish every luck

[roboas]

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A class action against take two would be successful for the lawyers, but not for us. Yes, the case is a slam dunk, take two knows that, and they would settle before the judge had an opportunity to hear the case. But in any class action, the lawyers make an absurd amount of money and the class members usually get a pittance.

More importantly, by admitting fault, take two will be off the hook in the future because they can't be punished for the same action twice. So there's no incentive on their end to improve anything, and the settlement money will be handed to the plaintiff's lawyers with a wink and a nod, as this is the way business is conducted in the US.

RICO cases are different, and there is a possibility that you could win that and make off with enough in damages to put take two out of business, but the bar will be much higher.

[Offballer4life]

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Everything that is being discussed right now On my end is pushing me to believe that we won't be filing class action. But if it did, 2k wouldn't be the one we are filing against. According to a little bird, there is another company that makes more money on the identical format.....that has an awful legal team. Its already basically out of my hands. He called me this morning to let me know he's going full bore. Someone with his experience, being so confident....makes me think we can all just sit back with a bag of popcorn. He has offered to begin this process for free, so I couldn't imagine him doing that unless he was very confident in a solid case.

I should probably steer away from details on here, just from a legal POV. I'll try to keep the updates coming with as much info as I can share. Just know that I have better things to do than full my brain with delusions that this could go somewhere. And so far, this is far from that

[GrimaceZ7]

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More importantly, by admitting fault, take two will be off the hook in the future because they can't be punished for the same action twice. So there's no incentive on their end to improve anything, and the settlement money will be handed to the plaintiff's lawyers with a wink and a nod, as this is the way business is conducted in the US.

That's not true at all. You're thinking of double jeopardy, where you can't try someone for the same crime twice. If a judge finds against 2k and then they do it again, they can be brought to trial again and the judge is more likely to find for the plaintiff than he was the first time.

If a judge found for the plaintiff in this case, 2k would be meticulous about stating pack odds going forward.

RICO cases are different, and there is a possibility that you could win that and make off with enough in damages to put take two out of business, but the bar will be much higher.

Enh, if there is a RICO case like there was with Topps, lawyers will be coming out of the woodwork to jump on this case. And given that there was already a ruling, it would be a very easy case. 2k would argue that these are virtual items, and that they don't have resale value in real life the way that sports cards do.

Another thing to consider is EA and Sony. Are they opposed to the idea of stating pack odds? They could jump in and lend 2k a hand in terms of legal costs if they were afraid the ruling would restrict them. Or it could be that they don't really care about having to state pack odds and would have no problem stating them.

I hope something comes of this. It's a very interesting argument.

[Bubba13laze]

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I have spent a stupid amount of money on the game this year.. But my pack odds have been very good. In fact I spent more money this year than any previous year as well I got better pulls this year than any year before. If you want my information I can calculate exactly how much I spent on vc this year for you.

I'm sure there is a case to have them be more transparent with there pack odds. Especially considering the price. 50 dollars a box. That's big money for your only disclosure to be, "a chance at pulling a high rated card".

As far as rubber banding goes. I found the more money I spent and the better my team the more games I lost and more blatantly noticeable the equalizer became. It's as of the game punishes me for having a better team. With this is mind, I have no idea how this can be tied in to part 1.

I feel as there is a strong case for part 1 because it is a form of gambling. Part 2 is definitely related to the shady business dealing in part 1 but I don't know if that is something that can be fought to change or if it's just bad business on 2ks end.

[Blraob]

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As far as rubber banding goes. I found the more money I spent and the better my team the more games I lost and more blatantly noticeable the equalizer became. It's as of the game punishes me for having a better team.

100% agree with this.

[kbandmjallday]

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speaking of equalizer ive been a big proponent in believing there is an equalizer and after loosing some games on purpose to go back and get some diamond shoes, i started playing again for real

my 1st 3 games in the ruby league 26 FREE THROW ATTEMPTS AND 12 OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS!


2nd game 24 FREE THROWS AND 14 OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS!



3rd game 19 FREE THROWS AND 14 OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS!



MY SQUAD there is no way that a front court of, pd tim duncan, ewing, larry johnson, david robinson, dikembe and bosh should be giving up double digit offensive rebounds to a team full of sapphires


i won all of these game but that shouldnt make it ok, ive been noticing this crap for a long time but im just know documenting it but either way i hope u win dude

[landman2069]

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All of this is very cute however we just have buyers remorse for being suckers for buying this VC bull crap. We converted real hard earned money into virtual money for a virtual stab in the dark at some cards. We will all have much greater impact on pack odds if we stop buying them.


I am done now. Spent way too much and have plenty of players so I will just play the game now. The most effect form is boycott and protest which we just need to quit spending money!!!


Not everything must be settled in the legal system. Lawyers like personal injury, class action, drug settlement chasers are more scummy than 2k could ever be. They sympathize with the victims only to get a large amount together so that they can influence a larger payday. Guarantee if they can't get 40% of the payout then they are not interested in righting wrongs! Starting it for free....lol who hasn't heard that before!

[ALpineNM]

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Let's also add the fact that people (including me 4 times in 2 days) are getting LOSSES when the opponent quits the game.

[allmustfall16]

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I was also thinking about talking to a attorney. I've lost so much time and money in this game. I've probably beat 30-40 different games and challenges and at the end of it all - I receive nothing. Not sure if it's their servers or what. Every time i have sought them out for help, they have had me jump through hoops and never resolve any of it. I've probably lost around 100,000 MT from this game's problems. i grow tired of people saying it's no big deal on here too. If I spend 50 bucks and don't even get 50,000 MT worth of stuff, that 100K I've lost is quite valuable, as is my time. I'm looking into a class-action lawsuit.

[landman2069]

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I was also thinking about talking to a attorney. I've lost so much time and money in this game. I've probably beat 30-40 different games and challenges and at the end of it all - I receive nothing. Not sure if it's their servers or what. Every time i have sought them out for help, they have had me jump through hoops and never resolve any of it. I've probably lost around 100,000 MT from this game's problems. i grow tired of people saying it's no big deal on here too. If I spend 50 bucks and don't even get 50,000 MT worth of stuff, that 100K I've lost is quite valuable, as is my time. I'm looking into a class-action lawsuit.

Seriously we want to sue over everything I guess. I have lost serious time and money on various Golf courses too and I will have to take action. I have lost Golf balls that cost 4 dollars each repeatedly. It has to be stopped.

Get real guys. I have been playing video games for 25 years and none of them are perfect. Grow up and learn how to deal with disappointment without consulting a lawyer or crying that your feelings are hurt.

[P234thetruth]

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speaking of equalizer ive been a big proponent in believing there is an equalizer and after loosing some games on purpose to go back and get some diamond shoes, i started playing again for real

my 1st 3 games in the ruby league 26 FREE THROW ATTEMPTS AND 12 OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS!


2nd game 24 FREE THROWS AND 14 OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS!



3rd game 19 FREE THROWS AND 14 OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS!



MY SQUAD there is no way that a front court of, pd tim duncan, ewing, larry johnson, david robinson, dikembe and bosh should be giving up double digit offensive rebounds to a team full of sapphires


i won all of these game but that shouldnt make it ok, ive been noticing this crap for a long time but im just know documenting it but either way i hope u win dude

Hey I beat you before lol

[Blraob]

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Seriously we want to sue over everything I guess. I have lost serious time and money on various Golf courses too and I will have to take action. I have lost Golf balls that cost 4 dollars each repeatedly. It has to be stopped.

Get real guys. I have been playing video games for 25 years and none of them are perfect. Grow up and learn how to deal with disappointment without consulting a lawyer or crying that your feelings are hurt.

In general I agree.

Ive spent money on many things that have not returned the value that I perceived I should have received or deserved... the list would be endless.

Ive also not 'lost' money on this game, but 'spent' money on this game in order to receive a value return.

Has my squad improved since the early days of grinding on domination, and mycareer to earn VC/MT? Hell yes.

Have i enjoyed opening packs in the hope my luck is good at the time? Hell yes.

Have I felt I've been screwed by 2k opening back to back boxes and getting nothing? Hell yes.

Have I also opened a single pack in a week and pulled an amethyst and ruby in 1 pack? Yep.

Seriously everyone, 2k is a business. They aren't in this for a pat on the back and are not a charity. You think the guys that actually care about getting things like the animations realistic are the same guys that decide on the business model to make money? Far from it.

I played mycareer last night and earned 5k VC. Do I need to list the players that i can get on the auction house for that price? It was only the other day Sapphire curry was dropping 3's in a win on my USA magic and Diamond Oscar. Who was laughing then...not me.

Yes I believe there is an equaliser, but thats another topic.

If there is a bunch of people that want to take 2k down, or make them accountable for a perceived lack of good odds, or being ripped off, then good luck with that.