MLB The Show 17 - Behind the Scenes "Playing Out of Position" Changes

[Speedy]

Re: Behind the Scenes "Playing Out of Position" Changes

The way the game works now if you play anyone out of position (it changes if it's the 2nd and SS) after a ball is hit to them and when you see what happens you won't continue that behavior for very long.

So does this mean the reaction attribute is handled (% reduction) in a similar fashion to the fielding attribute?

Example...J.Doe is primary 2B but has 3B as a secondary so his fielding AND reaction attributes are both reduced by 10% if playing J.Doe as 3B.

[Russell_SCEA]

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So does this mean the reaction attribute is handled (% reduction) in a similar fashion to the fielding attribute?

Example...J.Doe is primary 2B but has 3B as a secondary so his fielding AND reaction attributes are both reduced by 10% if playing J.Doe as 3B.

If 3b is his secondary and he plays there he's only taking a 5% hit.

[TattooedEvil]

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I'd love to be able to play a prospect in the minors or spring at a position thats not his primary or secondary and be able to add it as his secondary after X amount of games. We all know a lot prospects changes positions 1,236 times. For instance. Christian Arroyo was drafted as a SS but he played 1/2 of last season at 3rd and now it will be his primary position....even now there's question as to if he may move to LF. So obviously if he's a 3B w/ SS in The Show i would love to play him like 1/3 of the season at LF to "equip" that position as another secondary.

[Houston]

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Here is a suggestion on how secondary positions could be given in MLB 17 so we can edit any fielder to play there actual positions they have played in there career not just what the player was given by roster creator/roster updates/default roster..

You have all the positions in a big square pop up screen and you let us check the squares of all the positions we want to give that player. This would allow us to finally give players the correct positions they actually play.

[@legendm0de]

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This is going to make utility players a treat, I wonder if this will have any effect at all on CPU roster building and lineup decisions. But I'm so glad to see for the last two years defense taking a big step upward for the game.

[NDAlum]

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I think this is a great move. People. We'd to realize it won't be a perfect system but the premise is perfect.


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[capa]

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Not sure if it makes a difference, but the only MLB shortstop who threw lefty was Wee Willie Keeler. He was not primarily a ss but played a number of games at that position. That's about it.

So, when calculating ratings for lefties at ss, they should really take a huge hit. I mean, like their ratings should be close to 0 I would think.

Just a thought.

[Armor and Sword]

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The way the game works now if you play anyone out of position (it changes if it's the 2nd and SS) after a ball is hit to them and when you see what happens you won't continue that behavior for very long.

That is great to hear Ramone. First off it makes roster building in franchise even more important long term, and guys like Brock Holt will have immense value as true "Johnny On The Spot” utility players. Finding guy’s like that can be a huge difference over the course of a season and managing injuries.

And of course....Diamond Dynasty. This will reduce the sheer amount of cheese in that mode. Want to play Edwin Encarnacion at 2B? Good luck.

[Armor and Sword]

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This is going to make utility players a treat, I wonder if this will have any effect at all on CPU roster building and lineup decisions. But I'm so glad to see for the last two years defense taking a big step upward for the game.

YES!!!! I am a huge Brock Holt fan (incredible being a Yankees fan right?) But I love guy’s like him who play everywhere and are team players. This raises their importance big time.

[b22gamer]

Yes but I'm not sure the CPU plays people out of position often to begin with.

Ramone - I have seen in the past (In a fantasy draft Franchise Mode) where the roster logic seems broken for CPU-controlled teams. It assigns too many pitchers and not enough bench players to CPU controlled teams (25 man roster). I noticed this for the first time when I was playing against Pittsburgh and they had Jung-Ho Kang behind the plate. I guess there was an injury and they didnt have a backup Catcher on the active roster. This WAS a fantasy draft, just a coincidence that Kang was drafted by the Pirates.

[tessl]

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I'd love to be able to play a prospect in the minors or spring at a position thats not his primary or secondary and be able to add it as his secondary after X amount of games. We all know a lot prospects changes positions 1,236 times. For instance. Christian Arroyo was drafted as a SS but he played 1/2 of last season at 3rd and now it will be his primary position....even now there's question as to if he may move to LF. So obviously if he's a 3B w/ SS in The Show i would love to play him like 1/3 of the season at LF to "equip" that position as another secondary.

I posted earlier in this thread about High Heat having a similar system. From memory which admittedly isn't perfect I think it was 3 years in the minors at a position to get a guy fully qualified.

The problem is it can be exploited and you can have unrealistic situations with a big slugger like Pujols at shortstop. Gold glove at first but complete failure at shortstop IRL. I suspect it would be very complicated to program and that's why it isn't in the game.

[Russell_SCEA]

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Ramone - I have seen in the past (In a fantasy draft Franchise Mode) where the roster logic seems broken for CPU-controlled teams. It assigns too many pitchers and not enough bench players to CPU controlled teams (25 man roster). I noticed this for the first time when I was playing against Pittsburgh and they had Jung-Ho Kang behind the plate. I guess there was an injury and they didnt have a backup Catcher on the active roster. This WAS a fantasy draft, just a coincidence that Kang was drafted by the Pirates.

What does this have to do with playing out of position?

[@legendm0de]

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What does this have to do with playing out of position?

Well I did once run into a CPU managed David Ross starting CF. I'll edit post if I can find video of it. It's was the 2014 edition though so maybe it's irrelevant and that's why I never uttered such a blasphemy here.

edit: video coming shortly lol

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[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: MLB The Show 17 - Behind the Scenes &quot;Playing Out of Position&quot; Changes

While we're on the "out of position" train, it's also probably worthwhile to mention that the cpu logic burns through the backup catcher too aggressively. I can't even count how many times I've been in a game where the cpu pinch hits or runs for their catcher (or double switches) and, having already burned the backup as a pinch hitter, then brings in a non-catcher to play catcher. It's far too common of an occurrence and it goes way too smoothly. Maybe someone can back me up on this with some video evidence?

If it is to continue this way, it would be good to really make it an adventure back there with more passed balls and such.

[MauerMorneau09]

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I like the new idea.

I personally have always thought you guys should have sliders for each secondary positions in the editor for players.

EXAMPLE: Lets say a player plays 1B as primary, but LF/RF are secondary positions it will look like this in the editor with sliders

C - 0
1B - 99
2B - 0
3B - 0
SS - 0
LF - 77
CF - 5
RF - 80

A utility guy that plays all 4 infield spots and can play CF

C - 0
1B - 55
2B - 75
3B -70
SS -82
LF - 15
CF - 75
RF - 10

These are just a few examples of what I'm trying to explain. Anything over 50% should show up as secondary positions on the player card. This actually helps when guys switch positions or try out new positions in real life. It allows us to adjust without having to change primary and secondary positions to make it work.

A guy like Howie Kendrick has become somewhat of a utility guy.

He can play 1B/2B/3B/LF

1B - 60
2B - 90
3B - 77
SS - 10
LF - 70
CF - 0
RF - 10

I would love to see this, I remember 2K used to do the exact same thing.