Madden NFL 18 Will Feature the Frostbite Engine, What Does That Mean For The Game?

[Hooe]

Re: Madden NFL 18 Will Feature the Frostbite Engine, What Does That Mean For The Game

The question i would love answered is what percentage of players which player franchise completed at least 2 seasons in a franchise involving at least 2 human players.

I have 0 evidence or proof but my feeling is the number is less than 1%.

That would be an interesting question to know the answer to. Unfortunately, I don't have it. Given how many people drop off before the first season even starts, however, I do think your guess is reasonable.

[l8knight1]

Re: Madden NFL 18 Will Feature the Frostbite Engine, What Does That Mean For The Game

A new engine is needed. But I would imagine it will take years to get it fully implemented without bugs and glitches.

The upside is a new engine should facilitate new sliders which have been broken in one way or another for years.

This may lead to a much more customizable user experience.

Speaking of customization, how many teams/uniforms does FIFA have? EA won't listen to us in terms of giving us customization...roster editing (I know I know Jim Brown/NCAA lawsuits), but the franchise roster editing carrot they gave us this year is essentially useless. Also, give us the ability to edit equipment and uniforms. If I want to change a color on a facemask, or use a mouthpiece (I have to go back how many iterations to use a mouthpiece?), or change a color of an NFL jersey in franchise, why can't I? How about an equipment editor?

[Toupal]

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I think this has been hit on quite a bit, but that fact that a large portion of franchises don't make it that far into the franchise just shows how lame franchise mode really is.

I maybe lasted about a few weeks into Madden 16 until I lost interest. However, the one thing that keeps me coming back to my franchise in Madden 17 is the roster/ post draft roster editing.

I love being able to have to have full control of my franchise, and I think a lot of people are in the same boat. That is why people come to Madden forums and mention games like the Show or 2k.

I think if we see more customizing/ sharing options in franchise mode, we will see more people flock to one of Madden's oldest and most popular game modes.

#MakeFranchiseModeGreatAgain

[therealsmallville]

Re: Madden NFL 18 Will Feature the Frostbite Engine, What Does That Mean For The Game

I'll get burned, but I'll say it anyway: I really like how 17 plays on the field this year, even though I can acknowledge the issues with it. I would HAPPILY take the exact same gameplay with the exact same issues if it meant they put 100% of their time into using Frostbite to give us the true Living Worlds. This includes a real weather system, moveable jerseys, flags shown on the field, different crowd noise for different stadiums (Seattle & KC, I'm looking at you), new lighting, more accurate sidelines, etc.

I know a lot of people here would hate it if gameplay was ported while "art" took the lions share of development time, but I would be in football heaven. I know they have seperate teams, yada yada, but I'd like to see more resources go into making me immersed on the field, and gameplay can be spruced up later.


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[Brightline]

Re: Madden NFL 18 Will Feature the Frostbite Engine, What Does That Mean For The Game

I think this has been hit on quite a bit, but that fact that a large portion of franchises don't make it that far into the franchise just shows how lame franchise mode really is.

Chicken and egg?

[Impetuous65]

Re: Madden NFL 18 Will Feature the Frostbite Engine, What Does That Mean For The Game

People making this out to be a big deal? I'm taking bets...LMAO.

[issaknife]

Re: Madden NFL 18 Will Feature the Frostbite Engine, What Does That Mean For The Game

[citation needed]

Last I was told by people at Tiburon, Franchise is still their most popular mode in Madden with respect to total unique users, while MUT has better user retention. People still want to take their favorite team to the Super Bowl, fear not. However, the people who play MUT play more games of Madden and over longer periods of time than people who prefer Franchise.

In fact, one of the biggest problems Franchise mode currently has, from Tiburon's perspective: according to their analytics, prior to M17, somewhere between a third and a half of all online franchises which were ever started in a given Madden release do not complete Regular Season Week 1 of the first year of the mode. To that end the mode has a severe user retention problem. From a designer's standpoint, what good are development time / money investments in things like the draft, offseason free agency, player progression, etc. etc. if half the users who ever touch Franchise are never even seeing the benefits of those additions?

That retention problem is why you saw for M17 changes in how the mode constantly engages users to perform tasks - Big Decisions, for example - and why you also see features which let users get through games faster - such as Play The Moments.

But if the mode was better and more in depth, maybe people wouldn't get bored and quit.

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[Hooe]

Re: Madden NFL 18 Will Feature the Frostbite Engine, What Does That Mean For The Game

But if the mode was better and more in depth, maybe people wouldn't get bored and quit.

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"Better" - not a useful term in this discussion. It's not specific. There are about a thousand different angles one could take to make Franchise mode "better".

"More in depth" - the users who don't get to Regular Season Week 1 aren't touching college player scouting, in-season contract negotiations, the rookie draft, offseason free agency, any in-season or playoff in-game presentation elements, or Big Decisions (other than cutting players). To that end, how can lack of depth in any of these mechanics possibly be the reason users aren't sticking around? The users aren't even getting to these mechanics to form any sort of opinion about them. They might as well not exist.

The problem I speak about with this particular issue isn't depth or authenticity. Rather, the issues are user engagement and user retention. That's not to say that the issue can't be solved in a manner that is authentic to real life, but blindly adding all the items from this community's wish list isn't going to solve the problem either.

[roadman]

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But if the mode was better and more in depth, maybe people wouldn't get bored and quit.

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According to their telemetry, there is a 100% increase in users using CFM for Madden 17. And they do go off their telemetry numbers and base some of their decisions on the telemetry numbers.

[carolinawolf72]

It's Madden, why expect much? It will be half way implemented for the next 4 years or so

[JKSportsGamer1984]

Sorry to be that guy but that was some serious suction at the 3:39 minute mark of this vid....Which brings me to my point about the Frostbite engine. 1st & foremost I just want a clean playing game. I know that the Frostbite engine comes with a lot of bells & whistles (Dynamic Weather, enhanced visuals, etc..), but what's the point of adding fluff if the core isn't there yet? For example, I would love for Dynamic Weather to be in the game but if the sidelines are still stagnant with generic nameless player models then immersion is still lost. They're touting "major visual enhancements", but if players are still walking right through other players bodies when breaking the huddle & when getting up from a pile up with limbs fusing together then immersion is still lost. They also said it will bring a new gameplay experience, but if player movement isn't improved & the physics are still wonky (players falling down when barely being touched, etc..) I think you get where I'm going....

The point is I just hope EA has their priorities in order & continue to improve the core foundation while innovating. Madden has definitely been making strides the past few years so I hope the addition of Frostbite will give EA the tools they need to give us that game we've all been waiting for.

[kennyacid]

Ehhh I don't expect much from it. Graphics might get a little better and they might squeeze out some more animations but I don't see anything else happening.

[CujoMatty]

I dunno fellas. I can appreciate the skepticism but fifa made a signifigant leap in quality by switching to frostbite just like pes did switching to the fox engine a couple years ago. It 100% will make madden better. How much? Dont know but madden fans should definetly be happy about this news.

I also understand peoples reservations about it just being an engine and it all comes down to how its being used but that was what i felt was the major point if the video. If ea uses frostbite for all their games the new systems the developers discover while making say, battlefield, they could pass on and use and even further while not having to start from scratch for madden.

[cjallure24]

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Should I start getting my hopes up for a potential PC release?.....Please EA, I'm begging you. Do it, gives the PCMR a football game.

[Americas Team]

Overhaul the pass blocking, needs to be gutted and rebuild from the ground up.