NBA 2K18:Big Man Need Love

[Breakstarter]

Hey Sports fans, Its your #1`Guyser Breakstarter here back with another idea to share with the Nba 2K community. I'm sure after this weekend, if you're like me, We all were tuned in to see the NBA Allstar Weekend in New Orleans. It was a star studded event which showcased all of the League's best talent. One of the Events which caught my attention was the Taco Bell Skills Challenge. Now for the 2nd straight year a big man has won this event. Now Typically these events have been won by point guards because they usually have the "skill sets" needed to win these affairs.

Previous winner of the Taco Bell Skills Challenge

2003-Jason Kidd
2004-Baron Davis
2005-Steve Nash
2006-Dwyane Wade
2007wyane Wade
2008eron Williams
2009errick Rose
2010:Steve Nash
2011:Stephen Curry
2012:Tony Parker
2013amian Lillard
2014amian Lillard/Trey Burke
2015:Patrick Beverley
2016:Karl Anthony Towns
2017:Kristaps Porzingis

While we are at the Peak Of the Point guard era, in my honest and humble opinion, The NBA is returning to form with the evolution of the big man.
No Longer will we be seeing your father's NBA Big men...

Slow, lumbering giants who were picked by teams solely because of their size, rebounding and rim protecting abilities

Todays Big man will now Have inside AND Outside game.
We can attribute pioneers like Tony Kukoc, or Anthony Mason....but The true forerunner of this evolution would have to be Kevin Garnett. Back in 1995 when Most bigs didnt have the total package, KG coming right out of HS influenced a whole generation which brings me to my point.

For too long The NBA 2k franchise has had these preconceived notions of how a "Big Man" is supposed to play. In 2017, big men can now shoot the deep 2, can extend to the three point line, when necessary have a post game, protect the paint also put the ball on the floor to get their own shot and that’s without even getting into the position semantics of Kevin Durant and others as power forwards.

With Guys Like Demarcus Cousins and Kristaps Porzingis dominating skills challenges once ran by much quicker guards, i think its time 2k start showing the big man more love in the versatility department. These archetypes are almost laughable, because these players more than qaulified to do more than one thing great.

Take a look at Kristaps footwork in this next clip. It may not be actual in game speed, but the fact that KP is moving so fast step by step with someone 6 inches shorter than shows that Big Men Need an upgrade.

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Here is a an article with 3 videos showcasing Kristaps in the preseaon working on his ball handling.

http://www.businessinsider.com/kristaps-porzingis-moves-nba-scared-2016-6

We even have Super Skilled 7 footer Nikola Jokic who is comfortable bringing down the ball full court and getting busy with a sweet behind back a-la-john wall.

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Karl Anthony towns showcases why Minnestos future is in good hands with this nice mini crossover

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Rookie Thon Maker is Another Promising Big who can put it on the floor
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While Clearly not a "crossover" in every sense of the word, birdman will remember his name.
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Big Boogie Cousins is By definition the best Center in the league and he can do it all. Now teamed up with fellow big man Anthony Davis, Sky is the limit for what the future holds when these two twin towers come together.

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Oh yeah, Boogie Breaks Ankles too...
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All I'm Saying is that This New Era of Big Men are faster, quicker, more entertaining, and can move like 3's and Fours and can space the floor by extending their shots out to the 3 point line. Currently, these Myplayers and NBA big men in 2k are too restricted with this archetype system. Bigs need to have access to higher caps in speed, quickness, ball handling and
shooting/3 point shooting. I'd love to see the devs show some love to the Bigs in 2k18 and the franchise in general moving forward so they can better resemble what we see in real life.

Lets get this Thread enough attention in hopes that the devs can implement this in 2K18.

[TGsoGood]

Re: NBA 2K18:Big Man Need Love

Didn't people complain about this last year?

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[DonWuan]

Re: NBA 2K18:Big Man Need Love

As a offline only player I'm cool with this.

Sounds like a horrible idea for online play though.

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[Breakstarter]

Re: NBA 2K18:Big Man Need Love

Didn't people complain about this last year?

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I know we live a scary world and it might make you even terrified, but big men absolutely are more agile, than yesteryear. No way should Bigs so restricted in 2k...they aren't these big oafs that 2k portays them to be. Have you ever tried to accelerate with anyone over 6'8? Its like pulling teeth and they cant dribble at all. Its time 2k caught up with the times. No caving into the whiners about cheese this and cheese that...its not cheese if they can really do it in real life.

[adamspag]

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A reason why we need an offline mycareer mode in 2k18, so we can make bigs who can shoot 3s as well as having an inside game, without compromising gameplay balance on the park and proam

[2_headedmonster]

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Honestly all of this is possible in 2k17... Ive crossed people and posterized people in pro am with my glass cleaner. Its all about picking your moment. Also when the connection is good i can move pretty swiftly.

I will say that 'The Prelude' did a better job with the speed with ball for the bigs than the default rosters.

[Breakstarter]

Re: NBA 2K18:Big Man Need Love

A reason why we need an offline mycareer mode in 2k18, so we can make bigs who can shoot 3s as well as having an inside game, without compromising gameplay balance on the park and proam

Im an online guy and this thread should matter to both online and offline guys. I personally dont see the point in having offline guys having features that online guys cant. Im sure the majority of the community are online guys. I will never be mistaken how much of a voice that the offline community has on OS, but the real issue is Defense and the constant need to nerf what initially is a working product right out of the box.

When the community finds the meta players that are ideal for winning online 2k then nerfs these play styles or movements and gives into the notion that these players are "cheesy" because the defense cant stop the offense. When 2K can actually give players the tools to play real defense, no matter what play style, height, or moves you do, if played correctly every one will feel like gameplay balance on park and pro am is achievable.

[Nolove626]

Re: NBA 2K18:Big Man Need Love

Hey Sports fans, Its your #1`Guyser Breakstarter here back with another idea to share with the Nba 2K community. I'm sure after this weekend, if you're like me, We all were tuned in to see the NBA Allstar Weekend in New Orleans. It was a star studded event which showcased all of the League's best talent. One of the Events which caught my attention was the Taco Bell Skills Challenge. Now for the 2nd straight year a big man has won this event. Now Typically these events have been won by point guards because they usually have the "skill sets" needed to win these affairs.

Previous winner of the Taco Bell Skills Challenge

2003-Jason Kidd
2004-Baron Davis
2005-Steve Nash
2006-Dwyane Wade
2007wyane Wade
2008eron Williams
2009errick Rose
2010:Steve Nash
2011:Stephen Curry
2012:Tony Parker
2013amian Lillard
2014amian Lillard/Trey Burke
2015:Patrick Beverley
2016:Karl Anthony Towns
2017:Kristaps Porzingis

While we are at the Peak Of the Point guard era, in my honest and humble opinion, The NBA is returning to form with the evolution of the big man.
No Longer will we be seeing your father's NBA Big men...

Slow, lumbering giants who were picked by teams solely because of their size, rebounding and rim protecting abilities

Todays Big man will now Have inside AND Outside game.
We can attribute pioneers like Tony Kukoc, or Anthony Mason....but The true forerunner of this evolution would have to be Kevin Garnett. Back in 1995 when Most bigs didnt have the total package, KG coming right out of HS influenced a whole generation which brings me to my point.

For too long The NBA 2k franchise has had these preconceived notions of how a "Big Man" is supposed to play. In 2017, big men can now shoot the deep 2, can extend to the three point line, when necessary have a post game, protect the paint also put the ball on the floor to get their own shot and that’s without even getting into the position semantics of Kevin Durant and others as power forwards.

With Guys Like Demarcus Cousins and Kristaps Porzingis dominating skills challenges once ran by much quicker guards, i think its time 2k start showing the big man more love in the versatility department. These archetypes are almost laughable, because these players more than qaulified to do more than one thing great.

Take a look at Kristaps footwork in this next clip. It may not be actual in game speed, but the fact that KP is moving so fast step by step with someone 6 inches shorter than shows that Big Men Need an upgrade.

https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>

Here is a an article with 3 videos showcasing Kristaps in the preseaon working on his ball handling.

http://www.businessinsider.com/kristaps-porzingis-moves-nba-scared-2016-6

We even have Super Skilled 7 footer Nikola Jokic who is comfortable bringing down the ball full court and getting busy with a sweet behind back a-la-john wall.

https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>

Karl Anthony towns showcases why Minnestos future is in good hands with this nice mini crossover

https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>

Rookie Thon Maker is Another Promising Big who can put it on the floor
https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>

While Clearly not a "crossover" in every sense of the word, birdman will remember his name.
https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>

Big Boogie Cousins is By definition the best Center in the league and he can do it all. Now teamed up with fellow big man Anthony Davis, Sky is the limit for what the future holds when these two twin towers come together.

https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>

Oh yeah, Boogie Breaks Ankles too...
https://<iframe width="560" height="...reen></iframe>



All I'm Saying is that This New Era of Big Men are faster, quicker, more entertaining, and can move like 3's and Fours and can space the floor by extending their shots out to the 3 point line. Currently, these Myplayers and NBA big men in 2k are too restricted with this archetype system. Bigs need to have access to higher caps in speed, quickness, ball handling and
shooting/3 point shooting. I'd love to see the devs show some love to the Bigs in 2k18 and the franchise in general moving forward so they can better resemble what we see in real life.

Lets get this Thread enough attention in hopes that the devs can implement this in 2K18.

Dude, have you played with Karl Anthony Townes in this game? Dude moves like a guard and is 7'0 tall. You hit the drop stop and this guy flies ten feet to the hoop untouched in like .03 seconds. Thank god nobody ever plays with the twolves because I honestly don't know how anyone could defend this guy.

[BegBy]

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Agree.

Offline, you should be able to be 99 in everything... but doing this idea Online? No way.

Big men are super good in Pro-Am and Park, they don't need any help. They can turbo, they're super strong, they're fast, they can shoot, and they're 7'3"? There's not such player in the real world.

Aside from strength isn't KP basically exactly that? There's some pretty amazing bigs in the NBA such as Boogie, AD, KAT, etc. Saying there's none in the world is quite wrong.

[Breakstarter]

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Throughout the last 2 years watching RTTF and this year with Road to Allstar Tournament every team i watched played the exact same way.

One super point guard who carries the team on his back and let everyone sit in a corner or wing and just have the big pick and roll and half of the time the Big wasnt the recipient of the pgs pass...the pg would just use the screen and pull up for a ridiculous 3 or pull up for a mid range shot.

For those of us who enjoy playing the center or power forward, being limited to PNR and not being able tohave an offense go through us is frustrating. Even if say you made a post scorer, 2k doesnt allow you to go to town in the post. Anyone can just spam the steal button and you lose the ball automatically and that in itself is just frustrating. If you see that happen on a consistent basis, and you play with 4 other guys in pro am, no one would have confidence in running the offense through the big who by instinct should feel comfortable working down low.

Retooling how the post game works and givings better control alongside giving the defense a way to defend these bigs would make playing in the post more enjoyable offline and online, thats all im saying.

[jyoung]

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The only aspect of big men's game that currently needs a buff in Pro Am/MyPark is their ball control while doing post moves and while trying to pass out of double teams. It's way too easy for people who aren't lockdown defenders to get steals on big men in those situations right now, even when the big who's getting stripped has a maxed out playmaking rating.

I don't agree with the claims made in this thread that big men can't already dribble and shoot in Pro Am/MyPark.

All of the center builds can already move quickly coming up the court because of how fast some of the normal dribble moves animate. And in half-court situations, the hop step/stepback moves allow any big man to create enough space for a quick pullup jumper. If anything, those normal-tier dribble animations should be moving much slower than they are currently.

All of the center builds that aren't Stretch Bigs can already shoot reliably from the outside once they have their ratings, badges, and hot spots fully upgraded. If anything, the perimeter abilities of non-Stretch Bigs are too good right now; we currently have Paint Protectors, Athletic Finishers, Glass Cleaners, and Post Scorers in Pro Am/MyPark who are shooting higher percentages from the mid-range and from the three-point line than any guard, forward, or center in NBA history. Unless you're using a broken jumpshot animation, you shouldn't ever miss a mid-range jump shot if you're left open. And corner threes are around a 60% to 70% shot, even with that 55 to 60 base three-point rating.

[killaxxbearsxxx]

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As a post scorer, it'd be nice to be able to put the ball on the floor and shoot the jumper, but I view that as secondary options for me. Right now I can't even do my primary things without getting ripped up. To be honest, if they fixed it so I could create a post scorer with the perimeter skills of KAT or KP, but I couldn't score from the post, I'd be pissed.

I think the bigger problem may be in the defense. People spam steals because it works and you can't nerf it because it's the only thing that works. There's no way to reliably stop people from getting deep positioning so once they get the ball two inches from the rim the only thing you can do is spam the steal and hope for the best. Trying to play positional defense on the perimeter is useless because offense movement is so much further ahead than defense movement.

While I think they should give the big man the ability to do develop perimeter skills without the insane grind that it takes now, I don't think it should happen until defense is drastically improved because it'll just get nerfed because no one can stop it

[wilsonowens704]

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One of the other big issues is why is the Stretch Big even an archetype? If you think about it, there are hardly any in the league currently or in the history of the game.

Yes, Glass Cleaners and Paint Protectors can make wide open 3s if they have their 3pt rating maxed out (60 max), Catch & Shoot, Corner Specialist and receive a pass from a guard with Gold or HOF Dimer. If the shot gets contested at all, it's not going in.

The archetype system in concept is good but really all 2k needed to do was add a secondary archetype. Example: if you choose Glass Cleaner as your primary and Shooter as your secondary...you get 5 more bars availability on your mid-range or 3pt cap. Simple. In saying this, there shouldn't be a stretch big primary archetype...only secondary.

[btek98]

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I haven't noticed any issues with big men balance yet. I think the guys who are quicker can definitely use that against the slow, lumbering post players, and I don't think it should go much further than that.