MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Presentation & Commentary

[Armor and Sword]

MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Presentation & Commentary

I forget what year it was (15?) but I absolutely loved the real time presentation mode. Where it would just play out as in real life between pitches. You could always break out of it, but talk about immersion!

I know we will never see that mode again with emphasis on faster gameplay.

C

MLB 11 was the last one that had the Real Time presentation I believe.


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[Blzer]

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I forget what year it was (15?) but I absolutely loved the real time presentation mode. Where it would just play out as in real life between pitches. You could always break out of it, but talk about immersion!

I know we will never see that mode again with emphasis on faster gameplay.

C

I thought it was all real-time now.

I'm not talking about things they skip or don't skip, I'm talking about no more pre-canned cutscene shots and animations.

However, I can't say for certain about things skipping around or not. I for sure know MLB 13: The Show had it because somebody had just asked me about my video on The Show with 2K commentary and I had to rewatch it to answer something, and between pitches took forever lol. I think I was on the "Slow" pacing option (I think that was actually the name).

[capa]

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I thought it was all real-time now.

I'm not talking about things they skip or don't skip, I'm talking about no more pre-canned cutscene shots and animations.

However, I can't say for certain about things skipping around or not. I for sure know MLB 13: The Show had it because somebody had just asked me about my video on The Show with 2K commentary and I had to rewatch it to answer something, and between pitches took forever lol. I think I was on the "Slow" pacing option (I think that was actually the name).

I was referring to the release where you could watch the players walk all the way back to the dugout after an at bat, or the catcher walk back to home plate after chasing a foul ball. After every play really. They changed all that a few years ago and cut out of the scenes back to the action. I understand why they did it, I just preferred having the option to do so and if I wanted it to mirror a real life broadcast, I could. Felt more like the real thing.

C

[beau21]

MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Presentation & Commentary

I was referring to the release where you could watch the players walk all the way back to the dugout after an at bat, or the catcher walk back to home plate after chasing a foul ball. After every play really. They changed all that a few years ago and cut out of the scenes back to the action. I understand why they did it, I just preferred having the option to do so and if I wanted it to mirror a real life broadcast, I could. Felt more like the real thing.

C

Agreed.

So many things are done in this game to create a real sense of immersion, but when the between-pitches sequences are skipped, that really breaks the immersion for me. I understand that they wanted to speed the game up, but I wish they would have left it in and turned it off by default then.


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[Archie56]

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Perfect. You got exactly where I was coming from.

For example -- presentation & commentary -- is not a really big deal to me. It's not. But to some, it's life and death to the game. For me, alternates/throwback jerseys and classic stadiums are top priority. To others, it's not.

Prime example -- I LOVED the 'mistake' Colorado Rockies road alternate from the late 2000s still in the game, with purple sleeves and the purple hat (my favorite Rox hat). I used it exclusively for road jerseys, and used the solid black throwback strictly at home. I liked it that way.

It was almost universally hated. Now it's gone, and probably forever. But to most that's a great thing. I'm gonna miss it.


That's the kind of stuff I think some people need to keep in mind. Sometimes a mistake, makes something better for some. Just because it's not screen accurate to real life, doesn't make it not have value in a game.


Sometimes in a game, we get to live in an alternate world where the Marlins have orange home hats and the Astros go all orange, unlike in real life. And some of us like using The Show as a way to live those fantasies. It's not always about being precisely correct.

Yes the colors are off... but i'm just happy BOTH the Nats home white alternate AND navy alternate AND red alternate are ALL in the game. I'm happy the Blue Jays red alternate is IN the game. Not out. That's what's important.

I'm happy The Show (which they've gotten virtually no real credit on this), have been asked FOR YEARS to incorporate REAL LIFE broadcasts in the game. They brought in MLB Network, and did a great job with it.


They are literally doing what we're asking them to do. It's like having a kid in college, they get their Associates Degree, then their Bachelors, now they're trying at Grad school... but we're still dogging them they're not a Doctor yet.


Give it time. Breathe. They are listening. I will always support -- EFFORT.

*mic drop* lol

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[KnightTemplar]

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Agreed.

So many things are done in this game to create a real sense of immersion, but when the between-pitches sequences are skipped, that really breaks the immersion for me. I understand that they wanted to speed the game up, but I wish they would have left it in and turned it off by default then.


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Agree 1000%. Would love to have the option to watch the catcher throw the ball back to the pitcher every time. If someone wants to speed the game up, isn't there FAST PLAY already?

[tnixen]

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This is is how I want the Commentary to sound in MLB The Show!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFY8ZZtKzM

Why can't they get this done??????

Yes I know it's not perfect but it sounds so much more like a real life broadcast compared to MLB The Show 17! These 3 guys really sound like they are in the same booth together at all times. And unlike MLB The Show 17 these guys are having conversations with each other though out the whole game.

Makes me so sad because MLB The Show is such a fantastic baseball game but the one thing they just can not get right is the Commentary. 2k Commentary has improved even more now with NBA 2K.

I would love to know what the MLB The Show developers think of 2K's Commentary and if there goal is to not only get MLB The Show Commentary on the same level but surpass it.

[underdog13]

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This is is how I want the Commentary to sound in MLB The Show!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFY8ZZtKzM

Why can't they get this done??????

Yes I know it's not perfect but it sounds so much more like a real life broadcast compared to MLB The Show 17! These 3 guys really sound like they are in the same booth together at all times. And unlike MLB The Show 17 these guys are having conversations with each other though out the whole game.

Makes me so sad because MLB The Show is such a fantastic baseball game but the one thing they just can not get right is the Commentary.

They are so fluid when they talk it's incredible.

Although I would hate having to always here about Shin shoo choo being the man from South Korea.

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[tnixen]

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They are so fluid when they talk it's incredible.

Although I would hate having to always here about Shin shoo choo being the man from South Korea.

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That's one of the biggest issues if not the biggest with MLB The Show 17 and all earlier versions it does not sound fluid enough! Like I already said MLB 2K's Commentary is definitely not perfect but remember it's also now a 3 or 4 year old game.

I am sure if MLB 2K17 was being released the Commentary would be mind blowing at this point.

Also I love that you here a woman from a studio talking about the match up before you enter the game. Now that they have MLB Network something like that should also be in MLB The Show!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIGFOO4ijZs

Or if you go back to MLB 2K7 you even see outside shots of the stadium and fans walking around stadium Concourse. Hard to believe this was done 10 years ago and MLB The Show still has nothing like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj-92WP6NB8&t=472s

[My993C2]

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Or if you go back to MLB 2K7 you even see outside shots of the stadium and fans walking around stadium Concourse. Hard to believe this was done 10 years ago and MLB The Show still has nothing like it

MLB 2k7 had some good pre-game coverage that's for sure. Plus when you paused the game, often they would show some cool panoramic shots of the stadiums and it wasn't always the same shot. Each stadium had 3 or 4 different panoramic shots to choose from.

[thaSLAB]

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You could always buy and play (listen to) those games too. While commentary is a strong point, there are many reasons that game is no longer being made.

One thing I will say though is, in The Show, I have always done some equalization of audio using the sliders provided. That is, turning the crowd noise, SotS and the PA announcer up and the announcers down a bit. That goes a long way towards improving the ballpark atmosphere and sound.


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[MythicalGnome]

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Commentary sounds good. Uniforms still look washed out.

Were the sounds delayed for the rest of you? Like the balls being hit and caught were like a full second behind the actions on the screen.

For what are a variety of reason it does not seem like this team is too concerned about colors or matching reality in the game.

I also don't think the commentary will come into its own until 18.

[Blzer]

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This is is how I want the Commentary to sound in MLB The Show!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFY8ZZtKzM

Why can't they get this done??????

Yes I know it's not perfect but it sounds so much more like a real life broadcast compared to MLB The Show 17! These 3 guys really sound like they are in the same booth together at all times. And unlike MLB The Show 17 these guys are having conversations with each other though out the whole game.

Makes me so sad because MLB The Show is such a fantastic baseball game but the one thing they just can not get right is the Commentary. 2k Commentary has improved even more now with NBA 2K.

I would love to know what the MLB The Show developers think of 2K's Commentary and if there goal is to not only get MLB The Show Commentary on the same level but surpass it.

I guess I have lots to say, so let's get to it.

We could like MLB 2K's commentary for a variety of reasons, even though there are some things that still technically hold it back as well. John and Steve sometimes sound like they're reading lines as well, but it still feels organic because they are whipping strong points across and they feed off each other. Also, yeah regarding the Choo line, I wonder how many times you would hear that in franchise. Gary also has that very natural "announcer" sound to his voice, so he almost gets a free pass that way.

Anyway, 2K game runs much "faster" between pitches so there isn't enough dead air to compare to the Show franchise. That's why when I did that one Show video with 2K commentary some insertions were just to fill voids of silence. That's not to say silence is a bad thing though, either. There are times when I have heard the Cubs announcers go three or four straight pitches without so much as a sniffle, much less say any words during that time. Do I want that? Probably not haha, but I like the feel of more conversations (something that can be generally stitched together, like Steve mentioning a guy was 0-for-8, then Kruk stating that out of the leadoff hole [Crisp] had to do a better job to get things going) would go a long way, instead of just describing the action or having conversations be specifically tied to a player. Great night skies in that video, too.

Someone earlier in this thread brought up a good point that Matty V. is delivering too much color commentary when he has two other guys to say some of the things that he is. Even back to the "swinging a garden hose" days, those could still be provided by Harold or Dan. He mentioned that the Showtrack portion could simply be provided by the other two. These days, it's just taking that color aspect that Matt is already saying in his lines and inserting them for the other two. They don't even need to be big lines! We could have a dialogue that goes like this:

Matt: "Lines it! ... but there's Wright. One out."
Harold: (2 sec later) "That was scorched."
Dan: (1 sec later) "Got the inside pitch he wanted, just not the result."
Harold: "I bet he'll want that one back." (pause) "Still early on in the game, he's got another shot."
Dan: "Doubt he'll get it again..."
Matt: "Here's Werth now."

Just subtle things here and there. Each line may happen or may not happen. Obviously much of this could be stitched together depending on the situation. Instead of saying it was scorched, Reynolds also might say it just missed the sweet spot, too much top spin, ran up his hands a bit, etc. Plesac might be mentioning the pitch being outside instead of inside, the count leverage he had, the pitch type that it was, etc. Harold might inform that it's probably a bit too late in the game to get that chance again, or he'll likely see another pitcher next time so he can't adjust, or say that his approach may have to change depending on the situation. It's neither overly elaborate nor articulate, it gets the point across, but especially it allows the other two to get many talking points.

By the way, that "pause" part I had for Harold is big for two reasons, the second one being the bigger one: 1) they have to conjure their statements in their head at times before saying them; 2) this can allow for longer segments of somebody saying something, but in a larger variety of ways. Reynolds' description of Harper unfortunately will not only be tied to him and be mentioned time and again, but it's also just one long take. Those parts aren't broken up so he can say certain parts for Harper only, or use them for somebody else. There is another part in this video where Reynolds is describing the Nationals, saying:

"Matt, they're on one of those hot streaks, I mean everything is going right for them. They're playing great baseball right now. I mean timely hitting, the bullpen is coming through, it looks like they're rested... they're doing the things they need to do to be a winning club right now."

We could Madlibs the hell out of this one very long take in the underlined portions, and fill in hundreds of different words there. That's a little different than the pausing thing I was referring to, but this is an example of matching things with the data, and every time feeling like a different line. Again, the longer the line is itself without any stop-gaps or insertions, the more repetitive commentary will always sound. Now I'm not saying 2K did this right either. In fact, they may be even worse. This is strictly a suggestion for any sports game trying to improve their commentary. I only hope if done this way, it would sound fluid enough.

Last point about Matt (and perhaps the other two) that kind of contradicts what other people have said earlier in this thread, but as much as he "doesn't get excited" about certain things, he gets perhaps a bit too overly exaggerative for certain pitches brushing back batters, just missing the plate, going "WAAYYY outside" even if it only missed by half a foot, etc. I think they have improved on that commentary over the years actually, now that I think about it. I'm just banking off my previous point that commentary that is more subtle normally won't get too recognized for being repetitive, even though it ironically may be more repetitive.

For instance, in basketball there are only so many ways you can say that somebody passes the ball to somebody else, that as long as you're not always saying "Olés it to Parker," you won't be upset about what they say or don't say, as you don't have to mention something for every pass. Same is true for baseball and a pitch that comes in. Matt can just say: "Misses," or: "One ball, two strikes." And yes, I mean that as actionable commentary for the pitch itself. Maybe he says nothing and Harold goes: "Hoo! Close one." There is just still a long way to go, and honestly I do think it starts with deleting a lot of Matt's old lines.

I have a suggestion: I know they can't take lines from their real in-game commentaries (don't know how often Reynolds and Plesac actually do commentary anyway), not to mention it wouldn't work well for how they have to stitch it in their algorithm... but if the SDS audio crew does take those lines, instead of having the boys read it off a script, play it back for them and ask them to mimic it. Now it won't sound like they're reading a script. Take thousands of small bits of this commentary. That's the key. The EA guys tried something for the NHL series where Doc Emrick and Eddie Olczyk were watching gameplay as they recorded their lines. Don't know if that bodes well for the developers, but it's a nice strategy as well.

Oh, and speaking of strategy and commentary (I don't believe anyone mentioned this yet)... in the Twitch stream video, chief baseballogist Michael Compton slipped a little Pepper Brooks for us on the Asdrubal Cabrera home run. It was hard to hear because the others were talking and he split his line, but he said: "It's a bold move leading off with him...... leading off with Cabrera paid off." Classic!

[BucksInSix]

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Has anyone seen a clear example that players are not the identical size during the home run sequence anymore? It was horrible seeing Altuve grow almost a foot and be identical to Correra at home plate when they high fived

[knich]

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This is is how I want the Commentary to sound in MLB The Show!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFY8ZZtKzM

Why can't they get this done??????

Yes I know it's not perfect but it sounds so much more like a real life broadcast compared to MLB The Show 17! These 3 guys really sound like they are in the same booth together at all times. And unlike MLB The Show 17 these guys are having conversations with each other though out the whole game.

Makes me so sad because MLB The Show is such a fantastic baseball game but the one thing they just can not get right is the Commentary. 2k Commentary has improved even more now with NBA 2K.

I would love to know what the MLB The Show developers think of 2K's Commentary and if there goal is to not only get MLB The Show Commentary on the same level but surpass it.

Love the stadium ambiance and the franchise stats and overlays. I particularly like the overlays where shows how batter fared in last game against x team and how the batter has fared playing in a particular stadium. Also how efficient a pitcher has been, etc. Just lots of "little things" that add so much to the game. Has SDS ever answered why IE is not in franchise mode? And yes the announcing is amazing!