MLB The Show 17 Video - Franchise Mode

[TheWarmWind]

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I was one of those who was personally underwhelmed by the video, just like the rest of you every pitch every inning guys. However, I came to a realization.

These changes make franchise far more accessible and far less intimidating, encouraging more players to give franchise a try. This means more players getting hooked on franchise and more players caring about it. The devs will see those stats, and devote more time and resources to making franchise better for everyone in future iterations.

So even if you're not a fan of ANY of the changes, you should still appreciate that this is a good change in the long run. After all, most people don't play the Show all year long.

[MetsFan16]

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I was one of those who was personally underwhelmed by the video, just like the rest of you every pitch every inning guys. However, I came to a realization.



These changes make franchise far more accessible and far less intimidating, encouraging more players to give franchise a try. This means more players getting hooked on franchise and more players caring about it. The devs will see those stats, and devote more time and resources to making franchise better for everyone in future iterations.



So even if you're not a fan of ANY of the changes, you should still appreciate that this is a good change in the long run. After all, most people don't play the Show all year long.

More people getting into the show, now are able to face a daunting 162 game schedule, More people loving the show, more people buy the show, more resources for the dev team to use in next years cycle.

It might not appeal to OS community, but it's been said time and time again by Devs, we aren't like the rest of The Show Community.

Good move by SDS, I'm sure there's more under the hood they'll touch on in Deep Dive, and it will only get better in the future.

[Dolenz]

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Not in real time, not with fully show foul balls, not with all catcher return throws to pitcher, not fully shown home runs, etc. You don't get all of that even on broadcast.

I am guessing that the devs have pretty detailed stats and know just how often people skip the presentations that are already in the game and they realize that there is very little potential return for the extra work it would take them to implement a real time option.


It might make a handful of hardcore fans happy but is not going to draw in new players.

[@legendm0de]

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I am guessing that the devs have pretty detailed stats and know just how often people skip the presentations that are already in the game and they realize that there is very little potential return for the extra work it would take them to implement a real time option.


It might make a handful of hardcore fans happy but is not going to draw in new players.

I really just dislike that attempted narrative because the most successful sports game in the "looks" department is always NBA 2K. To me it's not about even a continuous, long never ending gameplay, it's simply about the PS4 era and the expectations that make sense at this point. We're all aware, however, where things are at this point. Compared to it's contemporaries (F1, FIFA, MADDEN, NBA, NHL) I find it to be at a disappointing state in the past couple of years but they are bound for upgrades perhaps as early as later this month..

What makes it disappointing in my opinion, is they owned the best looks the last era without a doubt and worked hard to continue that so far with the amazing "cathedrals"/stadiums and emphasis on lighting features but they don't take the time to basically reinstate the level of presentation that they already have been capable of before.

[Vmascarello]

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As much as I want to see a lot of the things mentioned in this thread as a hardcore Franchise player. And believe me I was also underwhelmed by the early week teasers. I still feel like the Show has a ton in it.

The gameplay and graphics are top shelf. And have been for awhile now. There's a ton of modes to satisfy every type of baseball gamer. They work hard on making it better every year and take a lot of feedback from the community. All of the things I wish EA would do. And the Franchise mode has enough in it year to year where I play it for months on end.

However, unless they reveal something really good in the Deep Dive tomorrow then it's pretty obvious there resources were dedicated to DD, ball physics, Pave your Path, and Presentation this cycle. As a Franchise guy, that's not what I was personally hoping for, but to be honest I certainly understand it. They are all things that will make the game presumably better overall for probably a bigger percentage of the people that play it. And obviously better gameplay and presentation makes everyone happier across the board.

I'm on record hoping for more out of Franchise mode for sure in the coming years, and hopefully some better overall logic from CPU controlled teams in this years game. With that being said, I think San Diego Studios do things the right way. And every year they give us an excellent game to enjoy. Even though it's impossible to satisfy everyone's wish list whether they had an 80 or 800 man team.

I just wish they would make a hockey game at some point so I could start enjoying hockey video games once again.

[tessl]

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https://youtu.be/Lf5kB6wSgQU?t=110

Pause the video at that trade screen. Possible find of a new feature. Or maybe not, but definitely a change. Last year on that exact same screen below the players it listed total salary for both teams and available funds for the user team.

The change - this year available funds has been replaced with two items cash flow and max offer. Cash flow is self explanatory but was is max offer?

Max offer $957K. What is that? Can you add cash to the deal or agree to pay part of the player's salary who you are trading? I suspect it is the latter. The two players from the Giants appear to be prospects but Clippard is a veteran making $3.7 million. It appears to me they have added the option to pay part of a player's salary to sweeten the deal.

[Speedy]

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I do think Luis has a lot planned for the stream tomorrow...especially with regard to stats which is really big for me. It was huge that they brought in historical stats last year and I think it will be greatly expanded this year with additional sabermetrics stats, maybe MiLB stats, etc.

One question: I didn't hear/notice Kirby talking about the radio show on the presentation stream - is that still in for this year?

[Sip_16]

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I do think Luis has a lot planned for the stream tomorrow...especially with regard to stats which is really big for me. It was huge that they brought in historical stats last year and I think it will be greatly expanded this year with additional sabermetrics stats, maybe MiLB stats, etc.

One question: I didn't hear/notice Kirby talking about the radio show on the presentation stream - is that still in for this year?

Yeah they mentioned it's in I think thy said expanded or tweaked can't remember exactly but they said it's in

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Just a random puncher's chance type of thought here...but seeing that many of us would welcome the addition of more owner mode type stuff to do....and seeing that there is no evidence at all of this in any of the franchise mode info released so far....what if there actually is a new "owner mode" and the videos are showing them puttering around in a "non-owner mode" akin to a regular franchise or season type of mode? In other words, what if all the hypothetical owner mode stuff is totally optional, cordoned off to a very specific mode, and they just haven't opened that menu yet?

Wishful thinking I'm sure. I'd set the odds of this at about 10%, but it dawned on me that just because we haven't seen any evidence yet doesn't mean it's for sure not going to be in there.

[MJDrocks]

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This video has left me extremely disappointed. I'll be watching for the live stream to take a more in-depth look but I am not holding my breath based on the video. I could be playing 16 until there is a sale.

[SchwarBear12]

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I for one LOVE all of the additions they've made this year as a long-timer. I've always been more of an Arcade-Franchise person. I just want to play baseball. I don't buy the game to be "Accountant Simulator". Games like OOTP, lol... yeah, no.

I want control of rosters, I want control of trade offers/FA, and contracts. Even the minors I have minor interest in. I just want to control most aspects of the majors and play games. But there are many games that I used to sim in a year to move around quicker, and have wanted something like 'Quick Manage' since MVP Baseball. I don't care about how many hats we sold at the merch stand. I care about the game of baseball.


I get that they are streamlining Franchise, but alot of this doomsday attitude about how disappointed they are... I love the changes. I ain't looking forward to some massive in-depth thing of running the Front Office, because guess what -- I -- along with most -- are never gonna use it.


I think A-LOT of people are going to be digging Quick Manage come May.

[@legendm0de]

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I skip most of the game's cutaways, especially when I'm playing poorly lol, and there are several reasons: 1 they're usually superfluous (ie, not gameplay-related), 2 they're generally not very artfully done and 3 it's time that I can't be analyzing what I should be doing for the next pitch.

Taking each point one by one:

1 Following each hit ball to it's destination gives you time to think about why it went there or just to appreciate it. There are definitely times where I'll choose to skip these moments but I'd like to have the option to let them play out.
2 It is possible to direct superfluous cutaways well enough to hold my interest. PYS does this quite well for example. Unfortunately, The Show's cutaways just aren't very visually interesting.
3 There's no reason you couldn't be allowed to analyze data during a catcher to pitcher throw animation plus perhaps an animation of the pitcher moving on the mound. Implementing this change actually wouldn't slow things down at all for some of us since we just end up endlessly stepping out anyway in order to buy time to get ready for the next pitch. I would personally love to be able slow things down even more and have an option where the pitch couldn't be thrown unless you prompted it. Kind of the equivalent of a batter shifting around in the box and then holding his arm until he's ready.

That's why this topic is franchise mode related, even though it focuses on presentation. The games in franchise/season modes have more at stake and invested into them for those who are playing it. Management decisions, pitching and batting strategies naturally benefit from the small moments of breaks in gameplay, plus Yes it also lets you soak in the ambiance a lot more too as a result. That is why this is being spoken of more along the lines as a necessity and not as a cute feature requiring capturing 10,000 new cutscenes. The cutscenes are distracting and 95% of the time doesn't satisfy anything I'm doing, but presentation is not about cutscenes.

As I've repeated before, contemporary titles make this easy for their product, and baseball is be the most naturally slow moving game, with constant breaks in play of them all. When I'm playing FIFA and the ball rolls out of play, I get enough time to reset my points of attack and try again, when I foul off a ball in a clutch at bat in extra innings, or pitch out of a bases loaded no outs jam avoiding disaster temporarily, I'm warped right into the next pitch in (hardly even) 5-10 seconds. My only recourse is to pause and get my thoughts together, which looks ugly, there should be a more natural transition for ALL moments in these games (not certain ones that trigger some cutscene).

The frustrating part is that it seems to be something easy enough to implement, particularly when you consider that they already used to do this then abruptly ended it.

[capa]

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That's why this topic is franchise mode related, even though it focuses on presentation. The games in franchise/season modes have more at stake and invested into them for those who are playing it. Management decisions, pitching and batting strategies naturally benefit from the small moments of breaks in gameplay, plus Yes it also lets you soak in the ambiance a lot more too as a result. That is why this is being spoken of more along the lines as a necessity and not as a cute feature requiring capturing 10,000 new cutscenes. The cutscenes are distracting and 95% of the time doesn't satisfy anything I'm doing, but presentation is not about cutscenes.

As I've repeated before, contemporary titles make this easy for their product, and baseball is be the most naturally slow moving game, with constant breaks in play of them all. When I'm playing FIFA and the ball rolls out of play, I get enough time to reset my points of attack and try again, when I foul off a ball in a clutch at bat in extra innings, or pitch out of a bases loaded no outs jam avoiding disaster temporarily, I'm warped right into the next pitch in (hardly even) 5-10 seconds. My only recourse is to pause and get my thoughts together, which looks ugly, there should be a more natural transition for ALL moments in these games (not certain ones that trigger some cutscene).

The frustrating part is that it seems to be something easy enough to implement, particularly when you consider that they already used to do this then abruptly ended it.

I agree. I do not like the fact that they chose to implement features to speed up your playing experiences over the past few years. I know their telemetry data tells them that's what people want and how they play, but it may have been just as easy to give us a choice. Hit the X button to skip if you want, or just let it play out.

On the other hand, they have no problem cutting to the manager 20 times a game. I can't imagine people are clamoring for that, but there it is.

They have taken the choice out of our hands which is disappointing, but I know there is no going back...

C

[joshtree14]

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i used to keep track of my 83 Red Sox in a scorebook while playing this game. That was my franchise. All these additions are great.


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[My993C2]

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i used to keep track of my 83 Red Sox in a scorebook while playing this game. That was my franchise. All these additions are great.

Good old Intellivision Baseball. I am dating myself here, but it was my first baseball game.