Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

[johnnyp]

I've asked the 2k developers on twitter, they never respond. I message 2k support, they copy-paste generic answers but don't know the answers either. A few top 2k players, they didn't know themselves - so i'll ask everyone and see if anyone knows. Thanks in advance! My main game mode is online play now, but im sure this applies to all game modes.

Floor General/Defensive Anchor - LeBron has both. Do these badges raise the ratings of all teammates when he is on the floor? If so, how much and which stats please.

Clutch Performer - Does online play now count as a big game/moment? If so, which stats do it raise, by how much and when?

Dimer - Let's just say Gold badge. How much does it raise the player's passing stat or the receiver's shooting stat?

Brick Wall - Does this raise a rating or just gives someone certain animations?

I have others but i'll stop there - is there anywhere where there is actual stats/% increases that these badges actually do? Everything about them is so vague. Badges are a great idea but I wish there was transparency on the non-obvious ones (Ie: Hardened, Lebron could be on his death bed with 5 gatorade cups and he'll still dunk on you/draw the foul in this game lol)

For instance:

player a) 90 pass accuracy/vision/IQ (no badges)
player b) 80 pass accuracy/vision/IQ (gold dimer/flashy pass)

is player b the better playmaker in this case? Any actual help would be greatly appreciated.

[Housh123]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

This sounds like a great topic for Operation Sports to cover. I'd love to read a blog or watch a video series all about Badges and how they work.

Nobody really knows specific details beyond guesses and 2nd hand info.

One important thing I've heard and that I think is true: Certain animations won't activate without the badge.... and a HOF Badge has way more animations than a Bronze badge, as well.

Also, whether or not you can perform the animations that the badges give you will be determined by your skill (your timing), your attributes/range, and whatever the defender is doing to counter you.

In a game all about animations, this one makes the most sense to me.

This is definitely part of it. Because you get bronze drop stepper you will never get the good animations of drop stepper HOF where guys are look like they are being thrown by the spin. Another HOF animation that bronze drop stepper can NEVER get even on rookie is when the offensive player moves the defender with his elbows and causes him to fall lover looking like a little kid. Same as brick wall. With bronze you will never knock someone down. With HOF brick wall you do it fairly often. Post spin technician also seems to only increase chances of getting a better animation. There is one animation for HOF post spin technician where it looks like the defender had the chair pulled from under him and he nearly falls over.


So my guess would be non shooting badges don't actually increase ratings. They increase the probability of getting certain animations and they increase probabilities of winning certain 1 v 1 matchups.


Like if you have HOF hustle rebounder you are more likely to slip under guys for the box out. Or you are more likely to get the animation where you push a guy in the back and move him so you can rebound.






For shooting badges I think its clear they boost ratings.


I would also love an in depth badges description tho. I recommend against releasing such information on day 1 of 2k's release. But lets say where we are right now where everyone pretty knows what the badges do, id say its ok to reveal exact specifics now.


Release them on day 1 and within a week youll have an army of cheesers with perfect badge combinations littering the park and pro am.

[Housh123]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

I think you're spot on, that seems real likely.



The flip side is that we'd be more educated and could make more informed decisions on how to play and even what type of player to create.

Having more info would make everyone way less frustrated and cut down on the rants\complaints that come with the confusion. Especially when you consider how long of a grind this game has, grinding blindly is not very fun.

The less confusion the better, the cheesers will be there either way though lol

It would be scarier tho.


What if people knew before hand that LDD were gonna be able to shoot 3s regardless? What if people know that upgrading your 3 or a rim protector was gonna let you shoot 70% from the corner as long as you knew your release? The way 2k described its system prior to release people thought archetypes were gonna mean something so that's why 50% of the community made sharpshooters.


I bet 2k would be unplayable if they released all the information before the prelude came out. Wed have a game of 80% Lockdown defenders still spraying from 3. lol


2k would be a scary game.

[johnnyp]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

Thanks guys, I can see some being animation-based only - but still truly believe a lot of stat increases are involved.

For example: P&R Maestro - leads me to believe passing and shooting temporarily goes up, but am i right to believe this? how much?

Any more help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!

[Breakstarter]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

I've asked the 2k developers on twitter, they never respond. I message 2k support, they copy-paste generic answers but don't know the answers either. A few top 2k players, they didn't know themselves - so i'll ask everyone and see if anyone knows. Thanks in advance! My main game mode is online play now, but im sure this applies to all game modes.

Floor General/Defensive Anchor - LeBron has both. Do these badges raise the ratings of all teammates when he is on the floor? If so, how much and which stats please.

Clutch Performer - Does online play now count as a big game/moment? If so, which stats do it raise, by how much and when?

Dimer - Let's just say Gold badge. How much does it raise the player's passing stat or the receiver's shooting stat?

Brick Wall - Does this raise a rating or just gives someone certain animations?

I have others but i'll stop there - is there anywhere where there is actual stats/% increases that these badges actually do? Everything about them is so vague. Badges are a great idea but I wish there was transparency on the non-obvious ones (Ie: Hardened, Lebron could be on his death bed with 5 gatorade cups and he'll still dunk on you/draw the foul in this game lol)

For instance:

player a) 90 pass accuracy/vision/IQ (no badges)
player b) 80 pass accuracy/vision/IQ (gold dimer/flashy pass)

is player b the better playmaker in this case? Any actual help would be greatly appreciated.

I copied these from 2k14, but they shouldn't be too far off from 2k17...i know 3 years makes a difference, and yeah the signature skills are now badges, and some of these badges are obsolete now, but at least you have a rough idea about how some of these badges might work. Hopefully moving forward, 2k can put a % of how each badge increases specific attributes.
What would be even easier would be an in game indicator in my career when you activate a certain badge.

For instance, if you engage in the post, and spin out of the post, the game should have a counter in the upper left of your screen of how many post spins you've done, and how many more you need to complete to unlock post spin technician. Transparency is key moving forward with this franchise. Not everyone wants to play guess what badge i'm grinding for.

http://www.operationsports.com/featu...-skills-guide/

Sprite Posterizer

What it does: When attacking the rim, players have a greater chance of triggering a "contact dunk" animation instead of a "contact layup" animation. Posterizer dunks can only be performed when the player has at least 80% stamina. If the posterizer dunk is successful, it gives every on-court teammate a 5% boost to his stamina.

Who will benefit from it: Athletic slashers like Gerald Green and DeMar DeRozan.

Highlight Film

What it does: The player's dunk animations frequently involve fancy windmills and body spins instead of simple one-handed or two-handed slams. Triggering a highlight film dunk requires at least 80% stamina. If successful, it will boost each on-court teammate's stamina by 5%.

Who will benefit from it: Speedy perimeter players like John Wall and Eric Bledsoe who can outrun the defense and finish fast break opportunities above the rim.

Finisher

What it does: The shot penalty for absorbing body contact during a shot attempt is reduced by 10%.

Who will benefit from it: Explosive penetrators like Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook who can finish shots through body contact.

Acrobat

What it does: The shot penalty for changing your shot in mid-air is reduced by 10%. The player also receives a five-point attribute boost to his hop, spin, and euro layup ratings.

Who will benefit from it: Smaller penetrators like Tony Parker and Allen Iverson who need to use gather moves to create more space for inside shots.

Catch and Shoot

What it does: The penalty for early or late shot timing is decreased by 15% whenever the player attempts a shot from a distance of at least 12 feet immediately after receiving a pass.

Who will benefit from it: Three-point shooters like Ray Allen and Steve Novak who primarily play off the ball.

Shot Creator

What it does: If the player attempts a shot off the dribble after using moves like the hop step, step-back or fadeaway, the shot contest penalty is reduced by 40%.

Who will benefit from it: Scorers like Stephen Curry and Damian Lillard who like to use dribble moves to create extra shooting space.

Deadeye

What it does: The contested shot penalty that is enforced at the beginning of a shot animation is reduced by 40%. The contested shot penalty that is enforced at the release point of a shot is still applied normally.

Who will benefit from it: Any player who relies on jump shots to score the majority of his points.

Corner Specialist

What it does: If the shooter is standing still and is left open for a three-pointer in the corner, the shot's chance of going in increases by 2%.

Who will benefit from it: Forwards like Shane Battier and P.J. Tucker who play in a four-out, one-in offense and like to spot up for three-point shots in the corner.

Post Proficiency

What it does: The chance of a post move faking out a defender increases by 10%. All post shots are 2% more likely to go in.

Who will benefit from it: Inside scorers like Zach Randolph and Pau Gasol who prefer to play offense with their back to the basket.

Post Playmaker

What it does: Passing from a post-up position will eliminate the chance of an off-target pass and will add a 4% chance of the shot going in if it will count as an assist.

Who will benefit from it: Interior threats like Shaquille O'Neal and Wilt Chamberlain who demand a double team whenever they touch the ball down low.

Brick Wall

What it does: Defenders are either knocked to the ground or forced to work harder to get around the player's screens.

Who will benefit from it: Big men like Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett who frequently set screens.

Screen Outlet

What it does: If a player takes a shot immediately after setting a screen, he will receive a four-point boost to his shooting attribute.

Who will benefit from it: Skilled bigs like Channing Frye and Kevin Love who can knock down jump shots after fading out to the perimeter.

Pick & Roll Maestro

What it does: The ball handler receives a one-point boost to his shooting attribute if he takes a shot immediately after dribbling off a ball screen. Additionally, any pass to the screener will receive an unspecified accuracy boost.

Who will benefit from it: Point guards like Tony Parker and Goran Dragić who run offenses that emphasize ball screens.

Dimer

What it does: All passes, aside from alley-oops and passes thrown from a post-up position, will not be off-target and will add a 4% chance of the shot going in if the pass will count as an assist.

Who will benefit from it: Any player who acts as your team's primary ball handler whenever he is on the court.

Alley-Ooper

What it does: All alley-oop passes will have a 20-point boost applied to the player's passing rating. The chance of throwing a successful alley-oop pass is also increased by 20%.

Who will benefit from it: Ball handlers like Chris Paul and Goran Dragić who have many athletic teammates that can catch lob passes.

Flashy Passer

What it does: The accuracy penalty enforced to all flashy passes is reduced by 20%.

Who will benefit from it: Creative passers like Ricky Rubio and Rajon Rondo who frequently find unorthodox ways to get the ball to their teammates.

One Man Fastbreak

What it does: The player will receive a two-point boost to his speed, quickness and ball handling ratings when dribbling the ball from one end of the court to the other after a change in possession.

Who will benefit from it: Super athletes like LeBron James and Kevin Durant who can grab a defensive rebound then fly past the other team for a fast break score.

Break Starter

What it does: Following a defensive rebound, the player's next pass becomes 15% less likely to be off-target.

Who will benefit from it: Rebounding machines like Dwight Howard and Kevin Love.

Hustle Points

What it does: Following an offensive rebound, the player's close shot, standing layup, and driving layup ratings will receive a five-point boost for three seconds.

Who will benefit from it: Scrappers like Kenneth Faried and Chris "Birdman" Andersen who live around the rim.

Lockdown Defender

What it does: The player will automatically disable all the offensive signature skills of whomever he is guarding.

Who will benefit from it: Easily the most power skill in NBA 2K14, lockdown defender should be the first purchase for your My Player and a mandatory inclusion for everyone in your My Team lineup.

Pick Pocket

What it does: The probability of a steal is increased by 50% if the ball handler is attempting a dribble move.

Who will benefit from it: Elite on-ball defenders like Chris Paul and Rajon Rondo who spend lots of time guarding the other team's primary ball handler.

Interceptor

What it does: A 10-point boost is applied to the player's steal attribute whenever he attempts to deflect an airborne pass.

Who will benefit from it: Slower defenders like Shane Battier and Thabo Sefolosha who excel at ball denial and off-ball positioning.

Active Hands

What it does: The likelihood of a strip is increased by 50% whenever the ball handler is attempting a shot or layup.

Who will benefit from it: Skilled post defenders like Joakim Noah and Tyson Chandler.

Charge Card

What it does: The player is 20% more likely to earn a charge call whenever he is run over. All of his on-court teammates will receive a 5% stamina boost if the charge is successfully drawn.

Who will benefit from it: Defenders like Tony Allen and Paul George who are frequently asked to guard the other team's best perimeter player.

Pick Dodger

What it does: The player is immune to the effects of brick wall screens and will frequently overpower weaker screeners.

Who will benefit from it: Any defender who spends most of his time guarding the other team's primary ball handler.

Eraser

What it does: A successful shot block will raise all on-court teammates' stamina by 5% and will reduce the shooting attributes of the player who got blocked by 5 points for 15 seconds.

Who will benefit from it: Swat specialists like Serge Ibaka and DeAndre Jordan.

Chasedown Artist

What it does: During fast breaks, the defender will receive a five-point boost to his speed and quickness ratings, as well as a 60% increase to the probability of blocking any layup or dunk attempts.

Who will benefit from it: Fast defenders with tremendous leaping ability like LeBron James or Andre Iguodala.

Bruiser

What it does: All contact animations with this player will drain an additional 20% stamina from his opponent.

Who will benefit from it: Inside bangers who log heavy minutes like Zach Randolph and Al Jefferson.

Scrapper

What it does: When the ball bounces loose, the player will receive a five-point boost in speed and quickness, plus he will dive 10% further than other players.

Who will benefit from it: Expendable bench players whom you aren't afraid of losing to an injury.

Tenacious Rebounder

What it does: The player is 30% more likely to win box out battles and poke the ball loose during rebounds.

Who will benefit from it: Any forward or center who plays predominantly inside the paint.


I hope this helps.

[Housh123]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

Post Proficiency

What it does: The chance of a post move faking out a defender increases by 10%. All post shots are 2% more likely to go in.

Who will benefit from it: Inside scorers like Zach Randolph and Pau Gasol who prefer to play offense with their back to the basket.

Post Playmaker

What it does: Passing from a post-up position will eliminate the chance of an off-target pass and will add a 4% chance of the shot going in if it will count as an assist.

Who will benefit from it: Interior threats like Shaquille O'Neal and Wilt Chamberlain who demand a double team whenever they touch the ball down low.

Do I even have to say how much I miss Post proficiency and Post Playmaker? That post dimer effect helped my team so much

[Mellis610]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

Check out nba2klab. I think they've done some work on this. They have an article on the front page of this site. The badge tier one.

[johnnyp]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

I copied these from 2k14, but they shouldn't be too far off from 2k17...i know 3 years makes a difference, and yeah the signature skills are now badges, and some of these badges are obsolete now, but at least you have a rough idea about how some of these badges might work. Hopefully moving forward, 2k can put a % of how each badge increases specific attributes.
What would be even easier would be an in game indicator in my career when you activate a certain badge.

For instance, if you engage in the post, and spin out of the post, the game should have a counter in the upper left of your screen of how many post spins you've done, and how many more you need to complete to unlock post spin technician. Transparency is key moving forward with this franchise. Not everyone wants to play guess what badge i'm grinding for.

http://www.operationsports.com/featu...-skills-guide/

Sprite Posterizer

What it does: When attacking the rim, players have a greater chance of triggering a "contact dunk" animation instead of a "contact layup" animation. Posterizer dunks can only be performed when the player has at least 80% stamina. If the posterizer dunk is successful, it gives every on-court teammate a 5% boost to his stamina.

Who will benefit from it: Athletic slashers like Gerald Green and DeMar DeRozan.

Highlight Film

What it does: The player's dunk animations frequently involve fancy windmills and body spins instead of simple one-handed or two-handed slams. Triggering a highlight film dunk requires at least 80% stamina. If successful, it will boost each on-court teammate's stamina by 5%.

Who will benefit from it: Speedy perimeter players like John Wall and Eric Bledsoe who can outrun the defense and finish fast break opportunities above the rim.

Finisher

What it does: The shot penalty for absorbing body contact during a shot attempt is reduced by 10%.

Who will benefit from it: Explosive penetrators like Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook who can finish shots through body contact.

Acrobat

What it does: The shot penalty for changing your shot in mid-air is reduced by 10%. The player also receives a five-point attribute boost to his hop, spin, and euro layup ratings.

Who will benefit from it: Smaller penetrators like Tony Parker and Allen Iverson who need to use gather moves to create more space for inside shots.

Catch and Shoot

What it does: The penalty for early or late shot timing is decreased by 15% whenever the player attempts a shot from a distance of at least 12 feet immediately after receiving a pass.

Who will benefit from it: Three-point shooters like Ray Allen and Steve Novak who primarily play off the ball.

Shot Creator

What it does: If the player attempts a shot off the dribble after using moves like the hop step, step-back or fadeaway, the shot contest penalty is reduced by 40%.

Who will benefit from it: Scorers like Stephen Curry and Damian Lillard who like to use dribble moves to create extra shooting space.

Deadeye

What it does: The contested shot penalty that is enforced at the beginning of a shot animation is reduced by 40%. The contested shot penalty that is enforced at the release point of a shot is still applied normally.

Who will benefit from it: Any player who relies on jump shots to score the majority of his points.

Corner Specialist

What it does: If the shooter is standing still and is left open for a three-pointer in the corner, the shot's chance of going in increases by 2%.

Who will benefit from it: Forwards like Shane Battier and P.J. Tucker who play in a four-out, one-in offense and like to spot up for three-point shots in the corner.

Post Proficiency

What it does: The chance of a post move faking out a defender increases by 10%. All post shots are 2% more likely to go in.

Who will benefit from it: Inside scorers like Zach Randolph and Pau Gasol who prefer to play offense with their back to the basket.

Post Playmaker

What it does: Passing from a post-up position will eliminate the chance of an off-target pass and will add a 4% chance of the shot going in if it will count as an assist.

Who will benefit from it: Interior threats like Shaquille O'Neal and Wilt Chamberlain who demand a double team whenever they touch the ball down low.

Brick Wall

What it does: Defenders are either knocked to the ground or forced to work harder to get around the player's screens.

Who will benefit from it: Big men like Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett who frequently set screens.

Screen Outlet

What it does: If a player takes a shot immediately after setting a screen, he will receive a four-point boost to his shooting attribute.

Who will benefit from it: Skilled bigs like Channing Frye and Kevin Love who can knock down jump shots after fading out to the perimeter.

Pick & Roll Maestro

What it does: The ball handler receives a one-point boost to his shooting attribute if he takes a shot immediately after dribbling off a ball screen. Additionally, any pass to the screener will receive an unspecified accuracy boost.

Who will benefit from it: Point guards like Tony Parker and Goran Dragić who run offenses that emphasize ball screens.

Dimer

What it does: All passes, aside from alley-oops and passes thrown from a post-up position, will not be off-target and will add a 4% chance of the shot going in if the pass will count as an assist.

Who will benefit from it: Any player who acts as your team's primary ball handler whenever he is on the court.

Alley-Ooper

What it does: All alley-oop passes will have a 20-point boost applied to the player's passing rating. The chance of throwing a successful alley-oop pass is also increased by 20%.

Who will benefit from it: Ball handlers like Chris Paul and Goran Dragić who have many athletic teammates that can catch lob passes.

Flashy Passer

What it does: The accuracy penalty enforced to all flashy passes is reduced by 20%.

Who will benefit from it: Creative passers like Ricky Rubio and Rajon Rondo who frequently find unorthodox ways to get the ball to their teammates.

One Man Fastbreak

What it does: The player will receive a two-point boost to his speed, quickness and ball handling ratings when dribbling the ball from one end of the court to the other after a change in possession.

Who will benefit from it: Super athletes like LeBron James and Kevin Durant who can grab a defensive rebound then fly past the other team for a fast break score.

Break Starter

What it does: Following a defensive rebound, the player's next pass becomes 15% less likely to be off-target.

Who will benefit from it: Rebounding machines like Dwight Howard and Kevin Love.

Hustle Points

What it does: Following an offensive rebound, the player's close shot, standing layup, and driving layup ratings will receive a five-point boost for three seconds.

Who will benefit from it: Scrappers like Kenneth Faried and Chris "Birdman" Andersen who live around the rim.

Lockdown Defender

What it does: The player will automatically disable all the offensive signature skills of whomever he is guarding.

Who will benefit from it: Easily the most power skill in NBA 2K14, lockdown defender should be the first purchase for your My Player and a mandatory inclusion for everyone in your My Team lineup.

Pick Pocket

What it does: The probability of a steal is increased by 50% if the ball handler is attempting a dribble move.

Who will benefit from it: Elite on-ball defenders like Chris Paul and Rajon Rondo who spend lots of time guarding the other team's primary ball handler.

Interceptor

What it does: A 10-point boost is applied to the player's steal attribute whenever he attempts to deflect an airborne pass.

Who will benefit from it: Slower defenders like Shane Battier and Thabo Sefolosha who excel at ball denial and off-ball positioning.

Active Hands

What it does: The likelihood of a strip is increased by 50% whenever the ball handler is attempting a shot or layup.

Who will benefit from it: Skilled post defenders like Joakim Noah and Tyson Chandler.

Charge Card

What it does: The player is 20% more likely to earn a charge call whenever he is run over. All of his on-court teammates will receive a 5% stamina boost if the charge is successfully drawn.

Who will benefit from it: Defenders like Tony Allen and Paul George who are frequently asked to guard the other team's best perimeter player.

Pick Dodger

What it does: The player is immune to the effects of brick wall screens and will frequently overpower weaker screeners.

Who will benefit from it: Any defender who spends most of his time guarding the other team's primary ball handler.

Eraser

What it does: A successful shot block will raise all on-court teammates' stamina by 5% and will reduce the shooting attributes of the player who got blocked by 5 points for 15 seconds.

Who will benefit from it: Swat specialists like Serge Ibaka and DeAndre Jordan.

Chasedown Artist

What it does: During fast breaks, the defender will receive a five-point boost to his speed and quickness ratings, as well as a 60% increase to the probability of blocking any layup or dunk attempts.

Who will benefit from it: Fast defenders with tremendous leaping ability like LeBron James or Andre Iguodala.

Bruiser

What it does: All contact animations with this player will drain an additional 20% stamina from his opponent.

Who will benefit from it: Inside bangers who log heavy minutes like Zach Randolph and Al Jefferson.

Scrapper

What it does: When the ball bounces loose, the player will receive a five-point boost in speed and quickness, plus he will dive 10% further than other players.

Who will benefit from it: Expendable bench players whom you aren't afraid of losing to an injury.

Tenacious Rebounder

What it does: The player is 30% more likely to win box out battles and poke the ball loose during rebounds.

Who will benefit from it: Any forward or center who plays predominantly inside the paint.


I hope this helps.

thank you for this, do you think this has carried over to 2K17? they didnt have badge tiers back then right?

[Young Coaches]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

For bruiser when you say drain, is that another word for absorb in this case? Basically will the energy of my bruiser increase at the expense of the opponent? Thanks

[tru11]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

For bruiser when you say drain, is that another word for absorb in this case? Basically will the energy of my bruiser increase at the expense of the opponent? Thanks

just decrease your opponent stamina

[Krucialist]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

We shouldn’t have to crowdsource answers to core gameplay mechanics. Especially if the goal is to make a balanced and competitive game...

Can anyone name another game where information this critical to the gameplay is left so vague?

[BasketBalla21]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

A lot of these can be determined by ratings. I get trying to differentiate players but I just don't see the need for a 99 strength player to have bruiser.

Is it a coding shortcut or something? Maybe it's easier to make the bruiser badge drain the opponents stamina instead of tying it to all the other things that involve the strength rating?

If they are really tying certain animations to certain players wouldn't that make certain ratings obsolete? I've heard people saying that an all-pro football type of system would be better for sports games. I'm starting to see the benefit in it now if they strictly tie animations to badges.

[TeamBuilder]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

Does anyone know specifically what the Wildcard badge does?

[olajuwon34]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

We shouldn’t have to crowdsource answers to core gameplay mechanics. Especially if the goal is to make a balanced and competitive game...

Can anyone name another game where information this critical to the gameplay is left so vague?

Probably games that aren't trying to make the players grind unnecessarily and potentially pay to increase their attributes and stats, with having the information so vague, players will grind and or pay just because they think it will improve their skill and experience that much more, deceitful and scum like yes, but thats becoming video gaming in 2019.

[awg811]

Re: Badges - What Exactly Do They Do?

The short answer to what badges do...mess up the game.


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