Some Madden NFL 18 Game Style Details Revealed - Arcade, Simulation, Competitive

[PVarck31]

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I'm excited about the prospect of "simulation mode."

I think that if you are rational person you see that the game has steadily improved over the last three years. Not giant leaps, but definitely building to something.

If simulation mode means team tendencies, AI that can adjust to your playstyle, and I am always looking for an improved running game, then I will be happy.

I have confidence in this team. They have showed they are serious about sim football, but we also have to understand there is a huge consumer base that is not interested in sim football, so by creating these separate modes just shows that they are still committed to the sim community.

And I am sure this has something to do with guys like Clint and Rex wanting to keep that aspect in this game.

Plus this is something we have been asking for, for a long time.

I can't wait to see what they have done. Madden 17 was a good game. It played a solid game of football. It wasn't a great game, but very good imo. And I think if the track record continues with this series, I am expecting a great game this year.

[SolidSquid]

Re: Some Madden NFL 18 Game Style Details Revealed - Arcade, Simulation, Competitive

I'm excited about the prospect of "simulation mode."

I think that if you are rational person you see that the game has steadily improved over the last three years. Not giant leaps, but definitely building to something.

If simulation mode means team tendencies, AI that can adjust to your playstyle, and I am always looking for an improved running game, then I will be happy.

I have confidence in this team. They have showed they are serious about sim football, but we also have to understand there is a huge consumer base that is not interested in sim football, so by creating these separate modes just shows that they are still committed to the sim community.

And I am sure this has something to do with guys like Clint and Rex wanting to keep that aspect in this game.

Plus this is something we have been asking for, for a long time.

I can't wait to see what they have done. Madden 17 was a good game. It played a solid game of football. It wasn't a great game, but very good imo. And I think if the track record continues with this series, I am expecting a great game this year.

My biggest worry about the 3 game styles is the base game will still be the same. Simulation mode would be exactly what we have now as Madden has been touted as sim for year. Competitive would remove ratings and let stick skills shine. And Arcade is obviously no penalties/ no defense, high scoring games.

If I'm wrong then playing on all madden sim will be pretty fun

[DeuceDouglas]

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My biggest worry about the 3 game styles is the base game will still be the same. Simulation mode would be exactly what we have now as Madden has been touted as sim for year. Competitive would remove ratings and let stick skills shine. And Arcade is obviously no penalties/ no defense, high scoring games.

If I'm wrong then playing on all madden sim will be pretty fun

This is pretty much what I'm expecting. I don't really think the different settings are going to be much more than some different tuning sets and there won't be much, if any, difference in AI between the three. I don't know if that is something they can tune separately to be "smarter" on a simulation setting than a competitive setting but I'd love more than anything to be wrong about that.

Now this might sound crazy but if that is the case where they're all working on the same base AI, I wonder if having separate settings could actually end up being worse for the advancement of AI at least from a simulation standpoint. The reason I say this is because I had an online player laugh at my tweet asking for better AI and from what I could gather, having competent AI that makes plays for you essentially equates to you being a "bum" in the online realm. The point being that you can continue to make the AI smarter and smarter but if they're all using the same base you can't make it too smart because then it has the potential to start overriding user skill which greatly affects the competitive and online environment. But if we find out that they are truly separate in the coming weeks then this all becomes irrelevant.

Hoping for the best though. It'd be great to have a fresh feeling, competent AI opponent this year. 17 was really fun and I could only imagine how much better 18 could be if they nailed this.

[Shadymamba]

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If I remember correctly they had this feature back on ps1 or early ps2 days. Glad it is back, more options is always a win for the community!


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Yes exactly - there are always 3 to 4 different types of gamers so that is a good thing - hopefully the "specific" style that everyone plays is enjoyable and plays well to their liking

[Shadymamba]

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This is pretty much what I'm expecting. I don't really think the different settings are going to be much more than some different tuning sets and there won't be much, if any, difference in AI between the three. I don't know if that is something they can tune separately to be "smarter" on a simulation setting than a competitive setting but I'd love more than anything to be wrong about that.

Now this might sound crazy but if that is the case where they're all working on the same base AI, I wonder if having separate settings could actually end up being worse for the advancement of AI at least from a simulation standpoint. The reason I say this is because I had an online player laugh at my tweet asking for better AI and from what I could gather, having competent AI that makes plays for you essentially equates to you being a "bum" in the online realm. The point being that you can continue to make the AI smarter and smarter but if they're all using the same base you can't make it too smart because then it has the potential to start overriding user skill which greatly affects the competitive and online environment. But if we find out that they are truly separate in the coming weeks then this all becomes irrelevant.

Hoping for the best though. It'd be great to have a fresh feeling, competent AI opponent this year. 17 was really fun and I could only imagine how much better 18 could be if they nailed this.

Your question was valid, because especially in football, where you only control 1 of 11 guys on the field. If you are pass rushing you would hope your DB has an ounce of AI to stay with the WR at least until you can switch over (if that's your play style) - having your AI play like CPU All Madden is probably asking a bit too much, but give you a little help I get it LOL

[ShaneTheMaster]

Re: Some Madden NFL 18 Game Style Details Revealed - Arcade, Simulation, Competitive

Love how the screenshot showing simulation mode has a setting of 6 minute quarters.

[PVarck31]

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Love how the screenshot showing simulation mode has a setting of 6 minute quarters.

Why is this a big deal? This is the case with all timed sports games. I believe NBA 2K is at default six minutes.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here but you're really reaching to find flaws.


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[ODogg]

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Why is this a big deal? This is the case with all timed sports games. I believe NBA 2K is at default six minutes.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here but you're really reaching to find flaws.


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I was going to say that. I am a Sim player but I don't have time for "realistic" 3 1/2 hour replicas of real NFL games myself. I tend to play on 8 minute quarters or less myself.


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[JoshC1977]

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Why is this a big deal? This is the case with all timed sports games. I believe NBA 2K is at default six minutes.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here but you're really reaching to find flaws.

Yeah, but IF EA is calibrating based on 6 minute quarters (which does not give the proper 120-130 plays per game), that IS a potential concern. If settings are calibrated to too short of a quarter length, it could very well (based on past precedent) be problematic.

Now, nothing about that screen shot suggests one way or the other, I get that. However, based on past comments from the devs, this is what they have defaulted to in previous games. One little screenshot is clearly not enough to elicit more than maybe a raised eyebrow, but I also would not say that the concern is "reaching".

[PVarck31]

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Yeah, but IF EA is calibrating based on 6 minute quarters (which does not give the proper 120-130 plays per game), that IS a potential concern. If settings are calibrated to too short of a quarter length, it could very well (based on past precedent) be problematic.

Now, nothing about that screen shot suggests one way or the other, I get that. However, based on past comments from the devs, this is what they have defaulted to in previous games. One little screenshot is clearly not enough to elicit more than maybe a raised eyebrow, but I also would not say that the concern is "reaching".

Why can't you just raise the quarter length to get the number of plays you want?

What else could be problematic about default length at 6 minutes?

Am I missing something?

[SolidSquid]

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Why can't you just raise the quarter length to get the number of plays you want?

What else could be problematic about default length at 6 minutes?

Am I missing something?

You can but that doesn't help for simmed games. They will still be simmed with 6 minute quarters giving unrealistic stats

[cable guy]

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You can but that doesn't help for simmed games. They will still be simmed with 6 minute quarters giving unrealistic stats

I see what your saying. What we Should get is realistic gameplay and stats for plays run in a 6 min. time frame. I get that from 9 min. Some may get some from 8 min. So imo, your basically playing 3 qtrs. of football based on 6 min. Lower scores, offensive plays and yds Should be the Only down side.

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[Slim4824]

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Let's take this argument the next logical step - why would you bother implementing any random bad snaps when that only happens on less that 1% of snaps? You wouldn't.



I would prefer to play simulation mode, foremost. That said, I don't think they are important for video game football. "Part of the game" doesn't mean its important to replicating the total experience.



If there is no user mechanic then there must be a dice roll.

Unless you are going to hard code something extremely rigid like "a player with a AWR rating less than 50 always commits bad snaps, otherwise no bad snaps", you must include randomness. As soon as you say "a player with AWR 80 does bad snaps 5% of the time", you have to include randomness to figure out when that 5% happens. You draw a random number 1 through 100 and if it's 5 or less, bad snap.

Statistics outside of ratings don't change anything, because again that just gives you a percentage chance an event will happen, and you still need a random number to compare against the probability to generate the outcome.

"I would prefer to play simulation mode, foremost. That said, I don't think they are important for video game football. "Part of the game" doesn't mean its important to replicating the total experience."

This statement right here tells me you don't want to play on simulation

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[aholbert32]

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"I would prefer to play simulation mode, foremost. That said, I don't think they are important for video game football. "Part of the game" doesn't mean its important to replicating the total experience."

This statement right here tells me you don't want to play on simulation

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Huh?

Because he doesnt think that something that occurs on less than 1% of snaps is necessary to be added that means he doesnt want to play on simulation.

The truth is the number of people who want a true 100% simulation is small. Most people would fall into the category that CM Hooe described.

I love simulation football. Having botched snaps in the game would be fine but there are SO MANY more important elements that have to be implemented in the game before that. I'd rather the team use their limited amount of time to do that instead of trying to figure out a way to implement something that rarely happens in real life.

[SolidSquid]

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I see what your saying. What we Should get is realistic gameplay and stats for plays run in a 6 min. time frame. I get that from 9 min. Some may get some from 8 min. So imo, your basically playing 3 qtrs. of football based on 6 min. Lower scores, offensive plays and yds Should be the Only down side.

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All we need is a sim game slider. NBA 2k has one that adjust simulated game lengths. So whether you play on 6 9 or 12 minute quarters you can make the sim games length match and balance the stats