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  • Hooe
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    • Aug 2002
    • 21555

    #76
    Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

    Originally posted by XtremeDunkz
    What exactly did they revamp? Just because they said it on the back of the box doesn't mean they did. You can bring guys back from injury a week or 2 early, and you can set your own season goal. So revamped......
    Every single change Tiburon made to make the mode last year - Big Decisions, Play The Moments, Weekly Training, and others - was explicitly designer to make the mode more playable for the average gamer and to reduce the game's steep learning curve. Those usability changes were clearly successful as they were responsible for the 100% usage increase Rex Dickson referred to in his interview earlier this week.

    Just because the changes weren't tailored to you personally doesn't mean they didn't happen.

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    • T4VERTS
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      • Jan 2011
      • 1153

      #77
      Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

      Originally posted by CM Hooe
      Every single change Tiburon made to make the mode last year - Big Decisions, Play The Moments, Weekly Training, and others - was explicitly designer to make the mode more playable for the average gamer and to reduce the game's steep learning curve. Those usability changes were clearly successful as they were responsible for the 100% usage increase Rex Dickson referred to in his interview earlier this week.

      Just because the changes weren't tailored to you personally doesn't mean they didn't happen.
      This might be the biggest hurdle the developers have to overcome, and it doesn't appear to be unique to Madden.
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      • XtremeDunkz
        CNFL Commissioner
        • Aug 2007
        • 3414

        #78
        Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

        Originally posted by CM Hooe
        Every single change Tiburon made to make the mode last year - Big Decisions, Play The Moments, Weekly Training, and others - was explicitly designer to make the mode more playable for the average gamer and to reduce the game's steep learning curve. Those usability changes were clearly successful as they were responsible for the 100% usage increase Rex Dickson referred to in his interview earlier this week.

        Just because the changes weren't tailored to you personally doesn't mean they didn't happen.
        LOL of course, but none of those thing were part of community wishlists that have gone basically untouched for the past 10 years. I can still go play a deeper Franchise mode in Madden 06 on the original Xbox with team morale, chemistry, holdouts, Training camp, position battles, uniform creation, etc. So yes, for EA to talk about a "revamped" franchise mode, when all they did was streamline some menus and add quickplay, is a joke.
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        • Hooe
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          • Aug 2002
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          #79
          Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

          Originally posted by XtremeDunkz
          LOL of course, but none of those thing were part of community wishlists that have gone basically untouched for the past 10 years.
          They didn't need to be community wish list items to make the mode better. Gamers often don't know what they actually want, especially sports gamers, and the overwhelmingly positive reception of last year's changes to franchise are proof positive of that. No one was asking for them, but everyone loved them.

          I can still go play a deeper Franchise mode in Madden 06 on the original Xbox with team morale, chemistry, holdouts, Training camp, position battles, uniform creation, etc. So yes, for EA to talk about a "revamped" franchise mode, when all they did was streamline some menus and add quickplay, is a joke.
          None of that depth means anything if no one is actually playing the mode. And that doesn't even begin to address the features themselves and if they were actually any good, which I will argue they weren't, but that's a story for another time.

          I also know for a fact that the Tiburon team doesn't ignore community wish lists. If we were to go back through the years we could find the items in the mode which are in the game specifically because the community asked for them, but that's not an exercise I have time to do right now. Off the top of my head, practice squads and the draft watch list got into the game specifically because we asked for those things.

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          • redsox4evur
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            • Jul 2013
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            #80
            Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

            Originally posted by CM Hooe
            They didn't need to be community wish list items to make the mode better. Gamers often don't know what they actually want, especially sports gamers, and the overwhelmingly positive reception of last year's changes to franchise are proof positive of that. No one was asking for them, but everyone loved them.



            None of that depth means anything if no one is actually playing the mode. And that doesn't even begin to address the features themselves and if they were actually any good, which I will argue they weren't, but that's a story for another time.

            I also know for a fact that the Tiburon team doesn't ignore community wish lists. If we were to go back through the years we could find the items in the mode which are in the game specifically because the community asked for them, but that's not an exercise I have time to do right now. Off the top of my head, practice squads and the draft watch list got into the game specifically because we asked for those things.

            Wasn't the watchlist put in like 2-3 weeks before the game went gold? Also formation subs was put into that as well. And that was put in the day 1 patch.


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            • roadman
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              • Aug 2003
              • 26339

              #81
              Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

              I know the score ticker was a request by the community as well.

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              • R1zzo23
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                • Jul 2005
                • 5694

                #82
                Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

                Originally posted by XtremeDunkz
                LOL of course, but none of those thing were part of community wishlists that have gone basically untouched for the past 10 years. I can still go play a deeper Franchise mode in Madden 06 on the original Xbox with team morale, chemistry, holdouts, Training camp, position battles, uniform creation, etc. So yes, for EA to talk about a "revamped" franchise mode, when all they did was streamline some menus and add quickplay, is a joke.
                Madden 06 was my favorite franchise mode by far! Loved all that stuff and really wish they would bring it all back, but I think we know that's not happening any time soon. Some great memories with that game!

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                • XtremeDunkz
                  CNFL Commissioner
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 3414

                  #83
                  Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

                  Originally posted by CM Hooe
                  They didn't need to be community wish list items to make the mode better. Gamers often don't know what they actually want, especially sports gamers, and the overwhelmingly positive reception of last year's changes to franchise are proof positive of that. No one was asking for them, but everyone loved them.



                  None of that depth means anything if no one is actually playing the mode. And that doesn't even begin to address the features themselves and if they were actually any good, which I will argue they weren't, but that's a story for another time.

                  I also know for a fact that the Tiburon team doesn't ignore community wish lists. If we were to go back through the years we could find the items in the mode which are in the game specifically because the community asked for them, but that's not an exercise I have time to do right now. Off the top of my head, practice squads and the draft watch list got into the game specifically because we asked for those things.
                  "Better" is subjective to everyone individually. Sure, did those new things make the mode more enjoyable for new and casual users? Absolutely. But for the people that play madden year round, for those of us that play in 32 man online leagues, these features did nothing. That is all I am concerned with.

                  Practice squads were half assed and do not work correctly. Hopefully they are implemented correctly this year, but I have my doubts.
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                  • Americas Team
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                    • Jun 2016
                    • 1282

                    #84
                    Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

                    Originally posted by roadman
                    I know the score ticker was a request by the community as well.
                    Its sad that the community has to request something like this.
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                    • DeuceDouglas
                      Madden Dev Team
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 4297

                      #85
                      Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

                      Originally posted by Americas Team
                      Its sad that the community has to request something like this.
                      It's still tickles me that it had been on the community wishlist basically since 06 and they gave us a goals ticker before it.

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                      • roadman
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                        • Aug 2003
                        • 26339

                        #86
                        Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

                        Originally posted by Americas Team
                        Its sad that the community has to request something like this.
                        True, it's sad all communities have to ask for elemental things in other sports games, too.

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                        • howboutdat
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                          • Nov 2012
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                          #87
                          Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

                          Originally posted by CM Hooe
                          They didn't need to be community wish list items to make the mode better. Gamers often don't know what they actually want, especially sports gamers, and the overwhelmingly positive reception of last year's changes to franchise are proof positive of that. No one was asking for them, but everyone loved them.
                          Actually, that last line there, is false. Everyone did not love them. Dont care if CFM use went up 100% ( yet i bet you it dont see any increase in funds for 18) , that does not mean "Everyone" loved it? Most those changes , were nothing more than UI changes.When you hype its gonna be most resources ever, and a focus on franchise, sorry but the people thats been playing it for years, expect to see more than the usual UI change fest.They did that to themselves by hyping it up so much to deliver so little .


                          Originally posted by CM Hooe


                          I also know for a fact that the Tiburon team doesn't ignore community wish lists. If we were to go back through the years we could find the items in the mode which are in the game specifically because the community asked for them, but that's not an exercise I have time to do right now. Off the top of my head, practice squads and the draft watch list got into the game specifically because we asked for those things.

                          I dont recall anyone asking for a watch list. Matter of fact , what people really asked for is a draft board but the watch list is not even close to a draft board.
                          Yup, i said it !



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                          • Hooe
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                            • Aug 2002
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                            #88
                            Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

                            Originally posted by howboutdat
                            Actually, that last line there, is false. Everyone did not love them. Dont care if CFM use went up 100% ( yet i bet you it dont see any increase in funds for 18) , that does not mean "Everyone" loved it?
                            I mean, sure, I know there are people on this forum who didn't. I was generalizing given the statistics offered in response to the changes Tiburon made to the mode, forgive me.

                            Not going to speculate about "funding" because A - that's not how it works and B - it's impossible for us to know how Tiburon budgets its time and money anyway. It's a pointless exercise.

                            Most those changes , were nothing more than UI changes.When you hype its gonna be most resources ever, and a focus on franchise, sorry but the people thats been playing it for years, expect to see more than the usual UI change fest.They did that to themselves by hyping it up so much to deliver so little .
                            Play The Moments was an entire new gameplay mode and Weekly Training was a brand-new feature bolted onto franchise. Neither of those two big-ticket items were "nothing more than UI changes".

                            The UI changes you are referring to - mostly grouped under the Big Decisions banner - streamlined the franchise front-end UX for new players so they actually had a clue how to play franchise and made it easier for veteran players to navigate through the mode faster. Those features also added in-game presentation and commentary elements. So while they were mostly UI, they weren't exclusively UI.

                            Thanks in part to that collection of changes the number of players in the mode doubled. There is absolutely no argument that the changes were A - not good, or B - not wildly successful.

                            I dont recall anyone asking for a watch list. Matter of fact , what people really asked for is a draft board but the watch list is not even close to a draft board.
                            Watch list was asked for in lieu of a draft board, which you are correct is what people actually want. Watch list was the best Tiburon could do at the time within their development time budget for the game, so that's what we got. It's mildly useful and it's better than nothing, but I agree that it's not as useful as a draft board would be.

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                            • Rocky
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                              • Jul 2002
                              • 6896

                              #89
                              Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

                              Originally posted by DeuceDouglas
                              I was more referring to why it might not be implemented initially into regular online with default teams like its predecessor. Building it into MUT gives it the highest chance of being a successful method of playing because MUT is the most popular mode. If they had just brought back OTP in its older form it's unlikely that the outcome would be much different where less than 10% of the user base is even using it and it becomes wasted development time. At least this way it's a new and interesting way to play MUT and it also gives them a chance to draw in a new audience into the MUT realm. So it's not really all about money, but don't get me wrong it definitely doesn't hurt them one bit that the potential for new MUT users (more money) goes up with this move.

                              So people can be upset with its ties to MUT but there's no denying that it made the most sense for them not only from a financial standpoint but also from a practicality standpoint.
                              C'mon man . It's pretty much ALL of this. Again it is what it is, but they could've found a way to at least put OTP in basic online H2H.

                              Again, I am waiting for a game (and this includes NBA2K) to really feature co-op in a deep franchise experience. It boggles my mind that games like Halo, COD, GOW, etc. can nail this down but sports games can't. (And they can but won't because of this microtransaction nonsense).
                              Last edited by Rocky; 06-03-2017, 05:58 PM.
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                              • Joshua1207
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                                • Aug 2009
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                                #90
                                Re: Madden NFL 18 MUT Squads Bring Back Online Team Play

                                Originally posted by Rocky
                                Again, I am waiting for a game (and this includes NBA2K) to really feature co-op in a deep franchise experience. It boggles my mind that games like Halo, COD, GOW, etc. can nail this down but sports games can't. (And they can but won't because of this microtransaction nonsense).
                                What do you mean by this? You just want a sports title that has co-op franchise-esque mode? Games like that already exist without micro-transactions. Try playing Football Manager, Front Office Football, Out of the Park Baseball etc

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