[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by GiantBlue76

We HAVE had it. YEARS of it. Plenty of guys, myself included, have gone through PAINSTAKING effort to provide the Madden development team with detailed blueprints on what needs to be in the game. Some guys I know went crazy, even creating laminated binders with as much detail as a design spec. They don't listen. It's exactly the same as trying to tell an alcoholic that he ha a drinking problem. He refuses to accept it. Unless you have a youtube channel with 100k followers, they don't really care. They truly believe that Madden is some kind of artistic masterpiece. While it's not a complete piece of crap its a massive underachiever. Most people realize this, but they do their best to cope with it. Everyone loves football here, so they have to do whatever they can to "cover the wound", so to speak. They're entitled to make whatever game they want. Not having choices is what creates the rub. There are a lot more people than you might think who would prefer the more realistic experience. This "OS is the minority" nonsense is simply a cop out to make excuses so we can better deal with the situation. It's simply not true. If progress is going to be made, people just need to start being honest about it. That doesn't mean we start slinging mud or insulting developers or any crap like that. Progress can't be made until there is acknowledgement of the issues and people stop getting all in their feelings when someone brings up the problems. If I go to the doctor and he diagnoses me with a terminal disease, telling myself over and over that I don't REALLY have a terminal disease might make me feel better in the short term, but it doesn't change the reality of it. At the end of the day, I still have it, so I might as well just deal with it. The fact is that the other sports franchises simply embarrass Madden when it comes to their depth, options, flexibility and quality. These guys redo the same things every so often, can't get most of it right, then they move on to something else the following year because they think they did enough. The other franchises are building on top of something each year. Not to say they don't have issues because ALL games will have some issues. It's the overall vision and effort that you see being put forth. The Madden team will tell you that you should be happy with what you get, rather than feeling like they want to give you the best possible offering. Take the injury system in Madden as an example. It's embarrassing. They added the ability to get hurt away from the ball - in 2017... Now it's a HUGE deal. Yet, nothing is even realistic. Guys are either 100% hurt or 100% healthy. There are no injury statuses that you can set or that even exist in the game. Only one body part can get injured. One of the biggest, most important elements of football is completely absent because they tell us that it isn't "fun". I also remembering them telling us when Madden 11 launched that online franchise wasn't "fun" either, so they didn't work on it. How did that end up? Online Leagues are huge now... Everything is Fisher Price and sold to us as this amazing innovation. It is what it is, and as long as these sites keep reviewing Madden in a vacuum, they're going to continue to tell us that they've created a masterpiece. Don't expect any change in the foreseeable future.

I understand and appreciate that, but people tend to gloss over Ian's attempt at knocking out 80% of a wishlist back in the day.

After that was completed, we didn't have developers return anymore.