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  • kabamaru
    MVP
    • Nov 2013
    • 2478

    #1

    Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

    5 out found its way in 2k in 2k17. In reality it's being played sometimes by the GSW, but not even close to how it is implemented offensively in the game, 5 players not moving outside the 3 pt line.

    The defense seems unable to defend and people with teams with centers that can shoot 3 tend to abuse it

    The issue becomes even more brutal in MyTeam where everyone can choose their players. So almost everyone uses 5 out. Hell the last 2 years I have seen Cousins and Marc Gasol shooting more 3s than posting up. Moreover 2k releases center cards with Curry 3 pt capabilities

    2k this style of play does not resemble basketball simulation.
    It is not possible to remove freelances like Princeton etc that require skill, and keep 5 out.

    It provides an unfair advantage over anyone who refuses to resort to 5 out and has driven many dedicated players away from the mode.
  • ForeverVersatile
    Pro
    • Jan 2011
    • 3498

    #2
    re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

    This needs more views. I'm definitely 100% with you on this.

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    • strawberryshortcake
      MVP
      • Sep 2009
      • 2438

      #3
      re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

      2k needs to stop programming the defenders from completely hugging the perimeter, allowing isolation abuse. Your teammates shouldn't have to hug their man at the perimeter in order to defend them. Your teammates can still be guarding the paint and perimeter simultaneously by being in the proper position. The following test was done a couple months ago with NBA2k14. Hall of Fame or Rookie difficulty didn't matter, 2k14's defensive setup is simply better.

      NBA2k14 isolation defense

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      • kabamaru
        MVP
        • Nov 2013
        • 2478

        #4
        re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

        Let's keep the thread alive guys. I am stuck to play play now online,especially all time teams since most teams have genuine centers. Even there i can see guys using gasol /worthy /Mikan and instead of Shaq, jabbar etc. The same player who cannot dominate me in the post with Kareem over KD at pf can beat me up using 5 out with gasol against Wilt. It is pathetic

        My team was my favorite mode until last year when almost everyone started using 5 out. This is just the rule this year
        Last edited by kabamaru; 10-15-2017, 04:25 AM.

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        • The 24th Letter
          ERA
          • Oct 2007
          • 39373

          #5
          re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it



          RIP 5 OUT

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          • kabamaru
            MVP
            • Nov 2013
            • 2478

            #6
            re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

            Thank god!!!!

            Thanks Da_Czar

            The fact that only that few people responded to this thread made my feel I am paranoid or something...
            Last edited by kabamaru; 10-17-2017, 09:26 AM.

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            • Laminam
              Just started!
              • May 2014
              • 1

              #7
              re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

              Thank you kabamaru if your post helped removed 5-out !!

              "Real" basketball may be back in 2K...

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              • Fakename22
                Rookie
                • Aug 2012
                • 436

                #8
                re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

                Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                https://youtu.be/FHg3_C1z5zg

                RIP 5 OUT

                Sent from my SM-G955U using Operation Sports mobile app
                Can you summarize the video?

                Its mostly him talking about random real life basketball stuff.

                Is it out of the game. I see it on his menu still. Once you click it does it stay "space the floor" was does that mean. Its confusing.

                He also keeps saying its out. So Ima take Da Czar word for it. I wish it was off the menu or just greyed out. If so this is a great day for 2k.
                Last edited by Fakename22; 10-17-2017, 09:40 AM.

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                • The 24th Letter
                  ERA
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 39373

                  #9
                  re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

                  Originally posted by Fakename22
                  Can you summarize the video?

                  Its mostly him talking about random real life basketball stuff.

                  Is it out of the game. I see it on his menu still. Once you click it does it stay "space the floor" was does that mean. Its confusing.

                  He also keeps saying its out. So Ima take Da Czar word for it. I wish it was off the menu or just greyed out. If so this is a great day for 2k.
                  Lol he explained it within the first 2 minutes.

                  It's basically been replaced with 4-1 when you select it.

                  He's debating possibly replacing it with something else later in the year...

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                  • ataman5
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 2620

                    #10
                    re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

                    Yes the 5 Out will give you again the same of 4-1, good call Nino.

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                    • Fakename22
                      Rookie
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 436

                      #11
                      re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

                      Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                      Lol he explained it within the first 2 minutes.

                      It's basically been replaced with 4-1 when you select it.

                      He's debating possibly replacing it with something else later in the year...
                      Yeah I had to rewatch it.

                      Glad its gone.

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                      • TheDominator273
                        Rookie
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 1065

                        #12
                        re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

                        What about the Warriors freelance that uses some 5 out sets?

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                        • jeebs9
                          Fear is the Unknown
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 47572

                          #13
                          re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

                          Originally posted by lbj273
                          What about the Warriors freelance that uses some 5 out sets?
                          No it does not!!! No team just stands out at the 3 point like and watches one player try to dribble into the lane. Not even the Warriors!

                          I can't tell you how happy about this!!

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                          • Hustle Westbrook
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2015
                            • 3113

                            #14
                            re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

                            Not gonna lie. I liked using 5-out against guys that liked to offball with their centers but the negatives outweighed the positives so good riddance lol.
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                            • jeebs9
                              Fear is the Unknown
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 47572

                              #15
                              re: Please fix AI defense against 5 out or totally remove it

                              Originally posted by Hustle Westbrook
                              Not gonna lie. I liked using 5-out against guys that liked to offball with their centers but the negatives outweighed the positives so good riddance lol.
                              You had to use 5 out to be effective vs someone else using 5 out.
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