FIFA online is NOT football

[kabamaru]

So I have been a footie games fan since Italia '90 on Amstrad and Kick-off on Amiga.

I have been playing mostly Fifa and some Pro. In the latter years I am playing mostly FIFA.

I started FIFA online at FIFA 13 I believe.

I don't know what is your oppinion but to me EA has failed to produce something that PLAYS like football online. It looks like it, but doens't PLAY like it.

All improvements are nice, but no matter what the improvements of the dev team is, the online gaming will be summarized in every version as

1) Put custom tactics aggression/pressure to the max
2) mass the contain and teammate contain button
3) start the game at ultra-attacking
4) NEVER do more than 2 touches with the ball

Even if you want to play differently you can not. Teams look to be able to apply superhuman pressure for the full game so you have to resort to ping pong...

Maybe I am too old for this, but even when I win (in most of the years I win Div1 on H2H or FUT) the games gives me more headaches than joy

[lucasmantovani]

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I've never had any interest in playing online because of the reasons you said and much more.

Online FIFA has been designed for those who want to score beautiful goals, make beautiful plays, and play with the greatest players. It doesn't resemble a football match at all.

I grew up playing offline, single player, and I had so much fun creating tournaments and leagues, all by myself. It's funny cause the game was much more arcade, but also much more enjoyable. Maybe I'm also getting too old.

[Alfie]

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I'm sorry but online gameplay of any sports is not the true representation of the sport. This statement holds true for footie, football/NFL, basketball/NBA and literally any other sport for which video game exists and there's an online mode.

[Istanbul]

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I'm sorry but online gameplay of any sports is not the true representation of the sport. This statement holds true for footie, football/NFL, basketball/NBA and literally any other sport for which video game exists and there's an online mode.

He questiones it why and he is absolutely right.Producers of any sport game you mention can do much better with today's technology but they chose easiest way because people are buying it no matter how quality of the game is.

For Fifa, ultimate team has made the game into something unlike football.

[Alfie]

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He questiones it why and he is absolutely right.Producers of any sport game you mention can do much better with today's technology but they chose easiest way because people are buying it no matter how quality of the game is.

For Fifa, ultimate team has made the game into something unlike football.

It's not about game developers or producers... it's about human nature. Almost everyone who plays online mode wants to win at all costs and that's why people resort to finding short-cuts or bugs or glitches/flaws in the game. No matter how much effort game developers put in the game, millions of folks playing and trying to break the game will find a glitch and cheese online to win.

We see it all the time in Madden where people actually term trying to break the game to find money plays as "labbing". They want to find that nano-blitz or that uncoverable route/money play or a particular formation where a specific tweak/hot route makes it OP. I recall I played FIFA online a few years ago and came across an opponent who set up the match in a darkish stadium with a black or dark colored football. I could barely even see where the ball was but guess the bloke had practiced it and he only cared about the win.

TL;DR version: People will find a way to cheat and glitch to get that W online. No matter how good the game is, folks aiming for the online wins will find a glitch to cheese.

[cjkinger]

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Completely agree. I'm older so I'm used to offline/single player. I'm actually having a lot of fun play FUT seasons this year. I've always just played offline career mode in the past but decided to see what FUT was about and am having a blast with single player seasons. I suck at the game so I'm slowly working my way up at my own pace.

Like I said, I'm older with a family and a career. It's actually intimidating to read how hardcore people are with FUT. The amount of time some people put into that mode is insane and there's no way I could compete. It's not something I have to the time or desire to do so I just stick with single player stuff.

[kabamaru]

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There are PLENTY off things the devs could do, let's not all blame it to the community that abuse the game.

For one, ping pong passing is something designed by the devs

Pressing a simple button witout even moving the stick and the player would follow the ball, is another thing implemented by the decs

Press another button and a second player comes. So without even touching the stick you have 2 players running at the ball at 100 mph

And this is not the worst. The worst thing is that you can do that ALL-GAME long.

A normal player would be dead by half-time , but not in FIFA

Ultra aggression, ultra attacking etc. All these are in the game. Haven't the devs ever watched a FUT game? Or a H2H ? Do they watch something that "plays" like football?

[roll2tide]

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This argument exists for most every sports title. The purist vs arcadist. Think the OP complaint through properly. He's stating 2 things:

1. Most online h2h games are just high pressure super fast arcade style games.

2. EA won't fix it.

Well, fix what precisely? Go against what most online h2h players obviously want? You can't expect to do that.

It's the same problem in madden and probably all online h2h sports titles. The reality is, you WANT to enjoy online h2h play but you don't. You want more players to play like you but they don't. And they aren't going to ever again.

I stopped playing madden for the exact same reasons. I just wanted something i wasn't going to get.

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[kabamaru]

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The reality is, you WANT to enjoy online h2h play but you don't. You want more players to play like you but they don't. And they aren't going to ever again.

Not quite. I am not under any illusinon that a gamer will not resort to ANY spam possible to win

However, especially in FIFA this ultra attacking/full aggression mass teammate contain spam button, just destroys any similarity to real football. It is not that it has happened online in this year's version, so it took the devs by surprise. It is happening every year

Is it rewarding? Yes, that's why everyone does it

What I am asking EA is to remove somethinng from the game that is purely undrealistic, and is now a LEGACY issue.

It is funny to advertise on how each team plays different in FIFA and how build-up is improved, when in reality, these features are completely irrelevan online (which is the biggest portion of the game anyway)

So I am trying to understand, why would they not remove the effectiveness of ping pong and ultra aggresive football. Would people complain? Probably yes. Would they stop playing the game? I would say no. Would others that have stopped playing the game, reconsider playing again? Maybe

I am just thinking out loud. It is a shame that I can not enjoy the game at all. I grew up with it

[Istanbul]

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It's not about game developers or producers... it's about human nature. Almost everyone who plays online mode wants to win at all costs and that's why people resort to finding short-cuts or bugs or glitches/flaws in the game. No matter how much effort game developers put in the game, millions of folks playing and trying to break the game will find a glitch and cheese online to win.

We see it all the time in Madden where people actually term trying to break the game to find money plays as "labbing". They want to find that nano-blitz or that uncoverable route/money play or a particular formation where a specific tweak/hot route makes it OP. I recall I played FIFA online a few years ago and came across an opponent who set up the match in a darkish stadium with a black or dark colored football. I could barely even see where the ball was but guess the bloke had practiced it and he only cared about the win.

TL;DR version: People will find a way to cheat and glitch to get that W online. No matter how good the game is, folks aiming for the online wins will find a glitch to cheese.

from this point of view, you are right too.

btw, i always think EA should release the game with two diffent mode/version.FUT 18 and FIFA 18 for example.People chose whatever they want to play.

[Bahnzo]

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Can't say I'm surprised to read this. I've been playing the "other" game and considering FIFA 18 when/if it goes on sale simply for the online. But it seems nothing has changed if games are still simply a race up field to get a shot on goal. (it's really no different in PES either).

I'm not surprised, because have either games ever really been anything else online? I've played both since the early 2000's and since online was introduced, it's always been get the fastest players and get to the 18 yard box asap. The idea that to go forward you must sometimes go backwards is lost upon online soccer. The only time someone passes backwards, is when they are protecting a lead.

[Introspectah]

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The solution is online friendlies with settings that allow for more realistic play, like 10 minute halves, slow speed (at least that's the pace that's come closest to realism over the years, dunno about this year.)

A simple thing they could do, if they wanted to affect some change in the direction of realism in seasons, would be to change the halves from 6 to 8 minutes.

Highly likely this would affect quite a significant change already,
cause how can any player be expected to build-up patiently with 6 minute halves? That's just undoable unless you manage to net a lead fairly early on.

If you wanna play online,
roam the top 100 (manual) leaderboards in seasons,
and send some invitations,
preferrably to manual players as this exclusive group holds quite a lot of players that are more oriented towards gameplay that's meant to (at least reasonably) resemble actual football.

This is how i've been playing the most realistic games ever over the last 2 years.

Sure, the element of competitiveness fades if you take this route,
but what you get in return can be so much more satisfactory.

[RonMexico1992]

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Can't say I'm surprised to read this. I've been playing the "other" game and considering FIFA 18 when/if it goes on sale simply for the online. But it seems nothing has changed if games are still simply a race up field to get a shot on goal. (it's really no different in PES either).

I'm not surprised, because have either games ever really been anything else online? I've played both since the early 2000's and since online was introduced, it's always been get the fastest players and get to the 18 yard box asap. The idea that to go forward you must sometimes go backwards is lost upon online soccer. The only time someone passes backwards, is when they are protecting a lead.

PES online is a goal fest that far exceeds fifa online.

[RonMexico1992]

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It's not about game developers or producers... it's about human nature. Almost everyone who plays online mode wants to win at all costs and that's why people resort to finding short-cuts or bugs or glitches/flaws in the game. No matter how much effort game developers put in the game, millions of folks playing and trying to break the game will find a glitch and cheese online to win.

We see it all the time in Madden where people actually term trying to break the game to find money plays as "labbing". They want to find that nano-blitz or that uncoverable route/money play or a particular formation where a specific tweak/hot route makes it OP. I recall I played FIFA online a few years ago and came across an opponent who set up the match in a darkish stadium with a black or dark colored football. I could barely even see where the ball was but guess the bloke had practiced it and he only cared about the win.

TL;DR version: People will find a way to cheat and glitch to get that W online. No matter how good the game is, folks aiming for the online wins will find a glitch to cheese.

This is pretty much correct.

[FluffyTonka]

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Online isn't perfect, but this year it's much improved.

There's build up play, lots of passing it around and backwards to break down the other team. the trend this year is towards park the bus and fast counters (similar to how leicester won the PL title).

offline - at least in the fifa - series had gotten stale for me. especially CM mode, where it's the exact same CM mode since Fifa 14. No money, time or energy has been put into CM, and maybe it never will be while FUT modes bring in so much mega profit to EA?

the robotic nature of the AI. they never miss a tackle, you can never sell them a shot fake, or do a skill move.

playing humans and the element of human error, still makes it a greater football sim (imo) than offline play.


The year playing squad battles is pretty good too. They collect all the team tactics and playing nuances from real life players and you can play their squads - even though you're playing the AI, it seems much improved over offline CM mode.

The CPU will perform skill moves, take bad touches, make bad passes and shoot poorly on goal. the CPU still never misses a tackle ... which until there is that kind of unpredictable element added to AI play, will kinda keep it stale for me.