Bring back Fade Ace/Post Hook Specialist

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Sharpshooters have: catch & shoot/deep range deadeye etc..
Defenders getick pocket/Rim protector etc..
Shot creators get:tireless scorer/tear dropper
Slashersosterizer/relentless finisher
Playmakers: anklebreaker/Dimer
Rebounder's:Hustle rebounder/Put back King


But wtf had to post scorers this year?
Where did fade ace go? Where did post hook specialist disappear to? To think of the greatest post players in NBA History, look no further than Kareem, Hakeem, Tim, Shaq,Patrick...guess what? They all had a hook shot or fade away they could go to when the going got tough.
I feel 2K robbed us post players without these badges in the game which would set is a part from other users. The post game is not even a factor when playing against competition because the fade and the hook shot aren't reliable this year. We need to bring those badge back for those of us who want to excel in the post.

[jlaz]

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for real. playing with mj & kareem just isn't the same anymore.

[Vroman]

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Post Fade and Post Step back shot is very reliable if you know how to use, hooks are awful though. Its just user skill required to utilize post scoring is much higher compared to other areas of the game.

[jeebs9]

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Post Fade and Post Step back shot is very reliable if you know how to use, hooks are awful though. Its just user skill required to utilize post scoring is much higher compared to other areas of the game.

I actually think it takes the same amount of skill for both. In both areas your reacting to your defender. The more open you are. The more likely the shot will go in. The closer to a perfect release. The more likely it will go in. I think hooks work with the right players.

But if this thread is like the hook shot thread is about taking defended fade aways and making them. You got another thing coming to you.

[barond57]

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I was going to make a post about this. The badges are all messed up. Post spin and drop step are such dumb badges that require no skill what so ever. We need post proficiency, that covers all post moves and post playmaker that gives good hands from being blocked or stripped and are able to make good passes

[Double_Dribble Rea]

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I was going to make a post about this. The badges are all messed up. Post spin and drop step are such dumb badges that require no skill what so ever. We need post proficiency, that covers all post moves and post playmaker that gives good hands from being blocked and are able to make good passes

Post up and under badge is dumb as hell also when you think about it. It is designed around a shot that requires you to fake out your opponent, however, if you fake out your opponent you are pretty much guaranteed to make the shot regardless of the badges, but if your defender doesn't jump and you still go up for the shot, the way layups work this year you are going to miss it regardless of badges

[jlaz]

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I actually think it takes the same amount of skill for both. In both areas your reacting to your defender. The more open you are. The more likely the shot will go in. The closer to a perfect release. The more likely it will go in. I think hooks work with the right players.

But if this thread is like the hook shot thread is about taking defended fade aways and making them. You got another thing coming to you.

if you didn't double mj in the post and u let him fade towards the key it was automatic. either double kareem, or the sky hook is deadly. in 2k it isn't. that's the problem. being back the badges.

[jeebs9]

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if you didn't double mj in the post and u let him fade towards the key it was automatic. either double kareem, or the sky hook is deadly. in 2k it isn't. that's the problem. being back the badges.

Let me explain what the problem with that thinking is. Because I use to think exactly the same way. As much as this is a video game. A Sim one at that. You have to have checks and balances. If you have these automatic situations. The game isn't fun in a head to head. No skill is shown. So what the Devs did here is say. Hey if you get a open fade away with a good release. Your shot will most likely go down. Even if it is Jordan. I'm deadly with MJ on fade away. That's because I've played with him enough now.So much, That I really know his timing and his animations. Once you hit one fade away. You got your defender by the balls. Now he has to come out and play you.

Especially for you my player guys. You guys use the same player animation all the time. How can you not know your my player release.

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[Thunderhorse]

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Let me explain what the problem with that thinking is. Because I use to think exactly the same way. As much as this is a video game. A Sim one at that. You have to have checks and balances. If you have these automatic situations. The game isn't fun in a head to head. No skill is shown. So what the Devs did here is say. Hey if you get a open fade away with a good release. Your shot will most likely go down. Even if it is Jordan. I'm deadly with MJ on fade away. That's because I've played with him enough now.So much, That I really know his timing and his animations. Once you hit one fade away. You got your defender by the balls. Now he has to come out and play you.

Especially for you my player guys. You guys use the same player animation all the time. How can you not know your my player release.

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I love how you'll call out "my career guys" as if you've invested the same amount of time they have in their individual characters, but also have the balls to say you've invested enough time with Jordan's animations to "perfect" them. I know some of you don't have jobs but even when I was plugging APF 2K8 in college like a no-lifer I still went out on the weekends to chase girls; You must be old money or have a time machine.

Instead of passive aggressively putting them down like a high school girl, why don't you tuck it in and for one time and consider the possibility these individuals have invested enough time into the product to come to reasonable conclusions. And even if you don't agree, maybe save the sh*t talk for your cousin you love to dump on in front of us all instead of putting down people in subtle ways that really aren't that subtle.

[olajuwon34]

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^ , damn i dont know about that post, i know iv had debates on this whole post hook and post play with jeebs and a couple other guys on here, and i will say as i play more, i am getting the hang of how to be effective in the post, and i will say that its not really how you would play in the post in real life, but it can still work in this game, the one thing that i still have a major issue with, and was my key argument when debating on here, was i think that single coverage post shots should still have a little bit of a buff, not a money move or anything, but just that they can still drop if theres a good contest on them, or if its single coverage, iv noticed that most post shots like hooks and fades go in when you created space and the contest wasnt heavy or close to the shooting hand, just like jumpshots this year, but its awkward for me to be honest when playing in the post in this game, but i think because its suppose to simulate basketball, which in the post is basically impossible to simulate realistically.

[OrlandoTill]

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I feel as though Up and Under Specialist only stops you from traveling. A good amount of up and unders are contested/blocked online due to how fast the D can recover with their animations(especially since nobody knows how fast their animation will be) even after they jump with a non-defensive archetype. I don't know if Fade Ace and Post Hook Specialist were ever in 2K but the gameplay interface appears conflicting when Shot Creators and Sharpshooters(I have one by the way) have both a rating and a badge for midrange and 3's while post players only have a rating.

[jeebs9]

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^ , damn i dont know about that post, i know iv had debates on this whole post hook and post play with jeebs and a couple other guys on here, and i will say as i play more, i am getting the hang of how to be effective in the post, and i will say that its not really how you would play in the post in real life, but it can still work in this game, the one thing that i still have a major issue with, and was my key argument when debating on here, was i think that single coverage post shots should still have a little bit of a buff, not a money move or anything, but just that they can still drop if theres a good contest on them, or if its single coverage, iv noticed that most post shots like hooks and fades go in when you created space and the contest wasnt heavy or close to the shooting hand, just like jumpshots this year, but its awkward for me to be honest when playing in the post in this game, but i think because its suppose to simulate basketball, which in the post is basically impossible to simulate realistically.

Thank you!!!

I'm not even going down that lane with a horse.

But if your defender is standing right behind you. And you go for a shot. Then you should miss. The game turns into this automatic thing. I just remember when it was the way we are talking about. When the release decided make or miss. And what would happen is that users could and would abuse it over and over again. And don't get me wrong I totally would love to see it come back. But with a little more balance as you said. Shaq is one of those players that just tutns around and cashes these type of shots we are talking about. Another player that comes to mind is Z-Bo. They both love to catch right in the paint and turn around and score. But like I said in a video game it's not the same. It's not fair or has a check.

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This is me vs my cousin. Grant Hill catches a post up.
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But to finish It would be nice to see more badges for the post. But again.. in the right way.