We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

[vtcrb]

The addition of Roster editing has been a Huge addition, but we need Shooting and Driving sliders. As NBA Live uses Synergy for Player tendencies, I doubt we will get the ability to edit those. Below I am going to list 7 Tendency Sliders I think would be game changers.


Drive the Lane
Inside shot
Mid range shot
Three Point shot
Pass to Open Man
Spot up
Post up





Feel free to list your opinions and suggestions. Also for those who don't like to comment, be sure to vote in the poll.

[Tonyattia]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

These would help so much! Id also like to see tendencies for these options:

Off the dribble mid range

Off the dribble threes

Contested midrange

Contested threes

Floater

This would separate star players who are encouraged to take these shots in real life. In game it seems that even good players don’t take tough shots, only open jumpers. If they’re covered they all just drive to the rim, rarely pulling up for a mid- range even though guys like Chris Paul, Westbrook, Bradley Beal, Melo, Derozan, Devin Booker, KD, Kris Middleton etc do that all the time.


I’d also like to see team tendencies for play types. A team like Houston in real life uses the pick and roll all the time with harden and Paul, but when I play them they run a lot of postups. Okc runs a lot of ISO’s in real life but don’t as much in game.


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[vtcrb]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

These would help so much! Id also like to see tendencies for these options:

Off the dribble mid range

Off the dribble threes

Contested midrange

Contested threes

Floater

This would separate star players who are encouraged to take these shots in real life. In game it seems that even good players don’t take tough shots, only open jumpers. If they’re covered they all just drive to the rim, rarely pulling up for a mid- range even though guys like Chris Paul, Westbrook, Bradley Beal, Melo, Derozan, Devin Booker, KD, Kris Middleton etc do that all the time.


I’d also like to see team tendencies for play types. A team like Houston in real life uses the pick and roll all the time with harden and Paul, but when I play them they run a lot of postups. Okc runs a lot of ISO’s in real life but don’t as much in game.


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I agree with all of this. Which is why I question Synergy's role in NBA Live. If they use data only for the Tendencies, then why do we see no separation when it comes to Player and Team Play styles?

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

Sliders are the devil.

[youvalss]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

Sliders are the devil.

Sliders can change the devil to an angel.

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

No, sliders are a false prophet.

[youvalss]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

No, sliders are a false prophet.

That's how I view Synergy.

[GisherJohn24]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

The addition of Roster editing has been a Huge addition, but we need Shooting and Driving sliders. As NBA Live uses Synergy for Player tendencies, I doubt we will get the ability to edit those. Below I am going to list 7 Tendency Sliders I think would be game changers.


Drive the Lane
Inside shot
Mid range shot
Three Point shot
Pass to Open Man
Spot up
Post up





Feel free to list your opinions and suggestions. Also for those who don't like to comment, be sure to vote in the poll.

I would Like a defensive consistency slider also

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[Walt Frazier]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

Just did an experiment.............really bad results


I put CPU 3 point, close, lay up, dunk ALL AT ZERO. I put mid range at 99.

I also edited one team (Boston) and put ALL their ratings to zero.....except mid range all at 99.

I also put all CPU sliders at zero...except mid range at 99.

And STILL NO ONE took any mid range Js.

It was all dunks and threes.

Very dissapointing...

My CV edits worked to get the CPU passing out after ORB, but absolutely nothing works to get the CPU to play any sort of mid range game.

So, yes, tendencies are needed. The current stuff simply does not work. Synergy killed this series IMO.

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

Yeah I gave Curry 99 court vision and all he did was drive to the hole for layups. Sure they will pass the ball around a lot more with higher court vision, but the CPU preferred method of scoring is still layups. Not enough stuff to edit. Still can't edit playbooks and their playbooks is still way too basic.

Honestly EA just need to copy 2K ratings and tendency system. We have zero control over making the CPU AI shoot from a preferred range or spot on the floor. Don't have control over who on the team should take the most shots. No control over what type of moves certain players like to use. In this series ALL PLAYERS have the same move set basically.

I even change the player type: you know rim protector, play maker etc. it made no difference in AI play. I made Al Hortford a stretch big, he still was in the post 99% of the time. Playmaker PG and Shoot first PG play exactly the same way. Highly frustrating really considering I spent the past handful of days editing and watching the CPU vs CPU just to see BS results.

Maybe I am just spoiled by the other game with all the stuff you are able to edit ratings and tendency wise. I want to be able to say this player right here, he likes to drive to his left 90% of the time, he loves dribbling behind his back a lot and his preferred method of scoring is the step back jumper on the left side of the court, 18 feet away. You simply can't do that in NBA Live 18. There is NOTHING that you can edit in this game that controls that.

Hell I even tried to make Lonzo Ball an assist god. Nope, can't do that. There is nothing you can edit in this game that will make him play that way. And that is the main problem with this game. You can't control who likes to shoot and who doesn't like to shoot. NBA Live 18 is still missing way too many key things.

Default sliders, all star, superstar, pro.....don't matter. There is no individuality in the game. Game is soulless. Oh well I will continue to attempt to pull a rabbit out of a hat......But it seem pretty clear that NBA Live 18 was designed for online play and CPU play was just an after thought. CPU plays just too generic.

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

Just did an experiment.............really bad results


I put CPU 3 point, close, lay up, dunk ALL AT ZERO. I put mid range at 99.

I also edited one team (Boston) and put ALL their ratings to zero.....except mid range all at 99.

I also put all CPU sliders at zero...except mid range at 99.

And STILL NO ONE took any mid range Js.

It was all dunks and threes.

Very dissapointing...

My CV edits worked to get the CPU passing out after ORB, but absolutely nothing works to get the CPU to play any sort of mid range game.

So, yes, tendencies are needed. The current stuff simply does not work. Synergy killed this series IMO.

Did Synergy ruin it by being accurate, because the NBA has moved to being predominantly threes and shots in the paint. What are the numbers you are looking for?

And I'm being serious, because I really don't know what is a good balance.

[Walt Frazier]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

Did Synergy ruin it by being accurate, because the NBA has moved to being predominantly threes and shots in the paint. What are the numbers you are looking for?

And I'm being serious, because I really don't know what is a good balance.

Synergy ruined it as it simply does not work.

I played Philly and Ben Simmons was taking 3 balls all game.

How!?? He has not taken one all season. So, how can his ‘synergy based on the real NBa’ have him shooting threes?

[PhiPsi1]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

Yeah I gave Curry 99 court vision and all he did was drive to the hole for layups. Sure they will pass the ball around a lot more with higher court vision, but the CPU preferred method of scoring is still layups. Not enough stuff to edit. Still can't edit playbooks and their playbooks is still way too basic.

Honestly EA just need to copy 2K ratings and tendency system. We have zero control over making the CPU AI shoot from a preferred range or spot on the floor. Don't have control over who on the team should take the most shots. No control over what type of moves certain players like to use. In this series ALL PLAYERS have the same move set basically.

I even change the player type: you know rim protector, play maker etc. it made no difference in AI play. I made Al Hortford a stretch big, he still was in the post 99% of the time. Playmaker PG and Shoot first PG play exactly the same way. Highly frustrating really considering I spent the past handful of days editing and watching the CPU vs CPU just to see BS results.

Maybe I am just spoiled by the other game with all the stuff you are able to edit ratings and tendency wise. I want to be able to say this player right here, he likes to drive to his left 90% of the time, he loves dribbling behind his back a lot and his preferred method of scoring is the step back jumper on the left side of the court, 18 feet away. You simply can't do that in NBA Live 18. There is NOTHING that you can edit in this game that controls that.

Hell I even tried to make Lonzo Ball an assist god. Nope, can't do that. There is nothing you can edit in this game that will make him play that way. And that is the main problem with this game. You can't control who likes to shoot and who doesn't like to shoot. NBA Live 18 is still missing way too many key things.

Default sliders, all star, superstar, pro.....don't matter. There is no individuality in the game. Game is soulless. Oh well I will continue to attempt to pull a rabbit out of a hat......But it seem pretty clear that NBA Live 18 was designed for online play and CPU play was just an after thought. CPU plays just too generic.

Was wondering...and I posted on a different thread about this...Have you tried to just delete, re-install, and go back to the 'original' release version of the game? I'm having a blast with the demo version (teams are playing to their strengths, star players stand out, offensive flow is varied, etc...) so am wondering if y'all try out the original release version of the game before all the updates/patches if the gameplay experience gets better...Just a thought and would be awesome if y'all could give it a go!

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

Was wondering...and I posted on a different thread about this...Have you tried to just delete, re-install, and go back to the 'original' release version of the game? I'm having a blast with the demo version (teams are playing to their strengths, star players stand out, offensive flow is varied, etc...) so am wondering if y'all try out the original release version of the game before all the updates/patches if the gameplay experience gets better...Just a thought and would be awesome if y'all could give it a go!

The unpatched Day One version didn't play well either. It wasn't until 2 patches in did the game play decent. Points in the paint was still extremely high, but it was decent. 2 patches ago however stuff changed big time under the hood. Also unpatched version the rosters were SEVERELY messed up.

[seanhazz1]

Re: We need Shot & Drive Tendencies Sliders in NBA Live

Did Synergy ruin it by being accurate, because the NBA has moved to being predominantly threes and shots in the paint. What are the numbers you are looking for?

And I'm being serious, because I really don't know what is a good balance.

The real answer is yes and no.


YES, synergy can be really accurate in the tendencies when the game is played a certain way, on default settings, especially without slider/player tweaks out of the box. The game is tuned/tweaked in a default manner, with the tools already available for a specific ecosystem.


NO, synergy did not ruin it, it only appears to break when one of the most requested features, editing, does not result in the user getting the proper control and results of the ecosystem they create, and it is then askew, because users need to know the proper correlation between sliders and in game effects/results, which is mostly a WIP for even the staunchest editors at this point. Its still new, but the roster editors have made it work in the past, lets just give it time, and figure it out, before we ask for new resources to work with.


Someone, one of the more dedicated roster/slider editors, will map it out eventually, (that raising slider x actually does y in game, or raising/lowering slider w and x with slider y will do z., etc.,) and we will have a better understanding, other than that we have to get in the lab and figure it out ourselves. Some people are even happy at rediscovering default settings as playable, to each his own.


As for 99 court vision, it could correlate to the avatar driving through the smallest holes, the ones you can't even see yet, but he can see, BEFORE he tries passing through them. If the 'synergy' tendency is to drive if you see a hole first, then you gave him some incentive and serious ability to do just that. What if court vision is lowered to 0 does he drive less and shoot more?? 0 could mean he can't find a hole to drive and thus takes easy paths to points only, shooting or driving.


Lastly, that mention of copying 2k ratings is going a little too far IMO. Its a different game, different code, and with similarly repeated comments and sentiment, we will eventually approach what many feared would happen as soon as editing was added in Live series....."Bug" reporting, brought on not by the game itself, but because its not editing in the way people think it should, with as many features as are requested, or similar to the way 2k does their editing, followed by a community call to fix what's misunderstood, rather than what's actually missing or broken, or adding in new content.