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  • iHazCode
    Rookie
    • May 2016
    • 397

    #1

    Unchecked leg kick observation

    After playing and watching many videos, I feel that the un-checked leg kick damage was the most realistic thing in the game....

    My request is that, instead of nerfing leg kicks, please make every other strike from every other position in the game be equally realistic with regards to the damage they may cause if not defended against. Alternatively add a simulation mode that will allow for this.

    I know a lot of people are going to freak out about this, but I know if I don't say it now I will regret not at least sharing my observations. So again, instead of nerfing this, please make everything else equally realistic, as this appears to be one of the most realistic portions of the game in beta.

    Thanks for listening.
  • WickeddMMA
    Rookie
    • Nov 2017
    • 154

    #2
    Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

    God I hope they don't nerf leg kicks because the leg kick damage and checked leg kick damage was so realistic and true to life. I do agree with everything u just said ,players better learn to block and sway and stop crying to have everything nerfed because they don't know what they are doing. If leg kicks are nerfed bad I swear I won't buy this game ,I'm tired of players crying to get everything nerfed. MMA is a dangerous sport and if u don't learn how to defend yourself u will get sparked up and slept. If leg kick damage and checked leg kick damage is nerfed please don't make it so crazy to the point were everyone can eat leg kicks the whole fight , leg kicks and checked kick should matter or just build an attribute system for leg kick power or something. #NoCrazyNerfs

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    • Dave_S
      Dave
      • Apr 2016
      • 7835

      #3
      Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

      Originally posted by WickeddMMA
      God I hope they don't nerf leg kicks because the leg kick damage and checked leg kick damage was so realistic and true to life. I do agree with everything u just said ,players better learn to block and sway and stop crying to have everything nerfed because they don't know what they are doing. If leg kicks are nerfed bad I swear I won't buy this game ,I'm tired of players crying to get everything nerfed. MMA is a dangerous sport and if u don't learn how to defend yourself u will get sparked up and slept. If leg kick damage and checked leg kick damage is nerfed please don't make it so crazy to the point were everyone can eat leg kicks the whole fight , leg kicks and checked kick should matter or just build an attribute system for leg kick power or something. #NoCrazyNerfs

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      Lots of fighters have gone this distance eating leg kicks all fight.

      Not every fighter kicks like Edson, or even close.

      You can't sway leg kicks.

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      • Solid_Altair
        EA Game Changer
        • Apr 2016
        • 2043

        #4
        Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

        Do you think head and body damage are too low? It seems pretty realistic, to me.

        And remember the Beta was LW. Gotta think about the HWs, too.

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        • Nugget7211
          MVP
          • Nov 2017
          • 1401

          #5
          Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

          Originally posted by Solid_Altair
          Do you think head and body damage are too low? It seems pretty realistic, to me.

          And remember the Beta was LW. Gotta think about the HWs, too.
          I agree with this, I don't think any damage really needs changing, except maybe minor tweaks to specific moves.
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          • WickeddMMA
            Rookie
            • Nov 2017
            • 154

            #6
            Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

            Originally posted by Dave_S
            Lots of fighters have gone this distance eating leg kicks all fight.

            Not every fighter kicks like Edson, or even close.

            You can't sway leg kicks.
            Are they gonna do individual leg kick/checked damage nerfs or is everyone getting a nerf? Because Justin gaethje has good leg kick power and many others. You are correct though but these are pro fighters that have trained leg kicking techniques for years and legs kicks don't feel good at all when checked and when they are not checked. Leg kicks should HURT and checked leg kicks should hurt more. I just want to know what's EA's plan for leg kicks because a nerf isn't the way imo, when pro MMA fighters can do so much damage with leg kicks when they throw it properly.

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            • Dave_S
              Dave
              • Apr 2016
              • 7835

              #7
              Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

              Originally posted by WickeddMMA
              Are they gonna do individual leg kick/checked damage nerfs or is everyone getting a nerf?

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              I have no idea. I wasn't even aware they were getting nerfed outside of the heath event that happened immediately. Leg kick stoppages are so rare in the UFC. (If I was a ref there was a couple recent fights I might have stopped though)

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              • WickeddMMA
                Rookie
                • Nov 2017
                • 154

                #8
                Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

                Originally posted by Dave_S
                I have no idea. I wasn't even aware they were getting nerfed outside of the heath event that happened immediately. Leg kick stoppages are so rare in the UFC. (If I was a ref there was a couple recent fights I might have stopped though)
                But Still leg kicks are a real thing and if they aren't defending properly they can do serious damage. Leg kick tkos are rare so I believe there should be another attribute slot for "Heart" for leg kicks that way leg kick tkos can be balanced out but this is for the people crying about leg kicks and the damage for em. Imo everything about leg kick damage is fine ,I mean it can be toned down A TAAAAAAAAD because u shouldn't get rocked by a leg kick in the beginning of a fight when its the accumulation of leg kicks that actually does the work but other than that I'm fine with it and defend leg kicks well.

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                • Trillz
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 1369

                  #9
                  Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

                  well irl most people check kicks more, or fighters wont throw leg kicks as much as they do in the game.

                  Realistically, if they going to nerf the damage they need to put a movement speed reduction, leg speed reduction and a slight power reduction.
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                  • aholbert32
                    (aka Alberto)
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 33106

                    #10
                    Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

                    I dont think the damage should be nerfed at all because its fighter specific. Guys like Barbosa and Aldo will likely have level 5 leg kicks. So if you are facing them with someone who has low-medium leg strength, you need to check kicks.

                    You can get away with not checking low kicks if your opponent has a low level leg kick.

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                    • AeroZeppelin27
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2017
                      • 2287

                      #11
                      Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

                      Please dont nerf leg kicks, I think they're great where they are, they actually feel dangerous for ONCE.

                      Once you get used to how the damage system on leg kicks works they aren't that bad provided you don't get caught running in, or mid heavy strike.

                      I may have complained about the AI's defense once its legs were badly damaged, but getting them badly damaged wasn't easy, checks are dangerous.

                      I think the checks balance it well, I've won fights by checking, I've lost fights from being check.

                      The only time I thought Leg Kicks were maybe OP was using Barboza, the level 5 rear leg kick of his, against an overhand spammer.

                      He managed to confuse me for a few minutes with his super risky striking, but then I chipped one leg kick in as he threw an overhand which dropped him.

                      I timed 4 more rear leg kick counters to his overhand and won the fight.
                      Initially, I was, huh, 5 leg kicks to win? No way.
                      But when I rewatch the footage, each time it connects, he is mid way through throwing a step in overhand, so he has all his weight on that lead leg as he is wingin' that overhand.

                      It just felt like risk reward.

                      That said, Leg kick KDs maybe need tuning. You can kick them as they get up, they can't block it and often they'll get knocked down again by it, making an exploitable chain of leg kick KDs.

                      But I'm firmly in the boat of leave them where they are, Diazs kicks were too fast, but his leg kicks were weak as Piss, a few checks did major damage. Whereas Edson could handle a few checks, and dish out some NASTY leg kicks (his inside leg kick was only lvl 1 lolwut?)

                      So, yeah, I'm in the "please dont nerf leg kicks boat"
                      If both players know how to check, I've yet to have a silly kicking war that I remember GPD saying he was worried about pre beta.
                      Leg kick KDs need a little work, tuning though, as mentioned above.

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                      • Trillz
                        MVP
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 1369

                        #12
                        Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

                        Originally posted by aholbert32
                        I dont think the damage should be nerfed at all because its fighter specific. Guys like Barbosa and Aldo will likely have level 5 leg kicks. So if you are facing them with someone who has low-medium leg strength, you need to check kicks.

                        You can get away with not checking low kicks if your opponent has a low level leg kick.
                        some ppl aint switching legs
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                        • aholbert32
                          (aka Alberto)
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 33106

                          #13
                          Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

                          Originally posted by Trillz
                          some ppl aint switching legs
                          Thats on them to be honest. With the exception of that bug that caused a rock whenever a leg kic happened between the first 15 seconds, i didnt have a problem defending against them with anyone. When I did run into issues its because I wasnt using the defensive tools like distance management and checking kicks.

                          Checking kicks was a legit defense against people who spammed kicks.

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                          • RetractedMonkey
                            MVP
                            • Dec 2017
                            • 1624

                            #14
                            Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

                            I think everything is incredibly well balanced. Leg kicks are great because of the damage, but also because they are easy to check. You can also switch stances.

                            Working a good player's leg for 3 rounds only for them to switch is disheartening. You MUST learn to play from both. I could only play in orthodox in UFC 2, but I'm actually better at southpaw this time around. So much time with McGregor. The switch stance stat is awesome too. If you can't play in a good fighter's natural stance, you're at a disadvantage from the start.

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                            • Dave_S
                              Dave
                              • Apr 2016
                              • 7835

                              #15
                              Re: Unchecked leg kick observation

                              Originally posted by aholbert32
                              I dont think the damage should be nerfed at all because its fighter specific. Guys like Barbosa and Aldo will likely have level 5 leg kicks. So if you are facing them with someone who has low-medium leg strength, you need to check kicks.

                              You can get away with not checking low kicks if your opponent has a low level leg kick.
                              Those level 5 kicks sure don't seem the same currently as they were in the Faber fight. Standard Nate Diaz leg kicks felt pretty freaking strong in game.

                              Why did EA get away from individual limb offensive stats?

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