The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

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  • Serengeti1
    MVP
    • Mar 2016
    • 1720

    #1

    The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

    So I was just in practice mode attempting some complex level 5 boxing combos. That **** is hard. I don't like it at all tbh. 1 complex combo is very hard to get down. Let alone dozens.

    I'm in the top 25 in ranked and I haven't seen anybody using complex combos yet. Not one person. Is this because they're too difficult to learn or is it because they're not effective? I have a feeling it's a bit of both. I think you can win just as easily without them (I'm sure they'd be effective if implemented correctly tho) but I think they're just too difficult to input fast. There's some really difficult body/head mix ups to pull off fast and attempting them would just get you murdered in ranked.

    I'd recommend going into practice mode and trying out some of the long level 5 combinations. I honestly think the controls need work to make it easier. What do you guys think?

    EDIT: Gonna edit this in as it's a response to most of the people in this thread...

    I kinda feel that people looking at it from the perspective that they should be hard are being kinda simple minded. And are also terrified of UFC 2 combos which would never come to this game anyway.

    3/4 strike combinations aren't that rare for one.

    For two... it wouldn't turn this game into a crazy combo spam fest. They can be countered. It's like whenever you mention parries people freak out and tell you they're terrible and not used in MMA anyway. Both things are untrue if they're implemented correctly.

    Combos have been this time. There's no combo multiplier and counters will stop people in their tracks. The problem is a lot of them are just too difficult to throw.

    I wonder how many people in this thread have had a good go at some of the boxing combos in practice mode. Cause I'd like to hear from those people.

    I also want to mention that most fighters do not have the complex boxing combos. It's only the ones that are actually good at boxing. So again... I don't see how this "it should be hard to throw 3/4 strike combos" thing is relevant.

    I expect this to be something people realise is a problem later in the game's cycle when this "bigger strike combinations should be hard to throw" thing stops getting parroted. It's a flawed argument in several different ways.
    Last edited by Serengeti1; 02-25-2018, 03:37 PM.
  • Nugget7211
    MVP
    • Nov 2017
    • 1401

    #2
    Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

    Honestly, this is fine to me. How often do you see fighters throwing 4-5 strikes combinations with a lot of level changes in the combination? It's not a super common thing and I think it's good that it's difficult to do. Also, I'm not sure what could be improved about the controls without taking away moving and striking, which I don't want personally.

    Also, why do you capitalise every word in your thread titles? Like, it's fine I'm just curious if it's deliberate or an autocorrect thing.
    **** off, Nugget7211 - GPD, 2017 & 2018
    Internet Hero - Jack Slack, 2018

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    • ShogunsAssassin
      Rookie
      • Jan 2018
      • 64

      #3
      Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

      I don't think there is any incentive to learn combos when everyone can just fire off 4 hooks like Cody no love and get a rock or a finish.


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      • Solid_Altair
        EA Game Changer
        • Apr 2016
        • 2043

        #4
        Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

        The controls could hardly be easier than they are now.

        And compared to other fight games, the execution requirements of this one are delightfully low.

        Just gotta bite the bullet.

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        • Serengeti1
          MVP
          • Mar 2016
          • 1720

          #5
          Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

          Originally posted by Nugget7211
          Honestly, this is fine to me. How often do you see fighters throwing 4-5 strikes combinations with a lot of level changes in the combination? It's not a super common thing and I think it's good that it's difficult to do. Also, I'm not sure what could be improved about the controls without taking away moving and striking, which I don't want personally.

          Also, why do you capitalise every word in your thread titles? Like, it's fine I'm just curious if it's deliberate or an autocorrect thing.
          It's Not Just The Body/Head Mix Ups Though. They're Just The Ones I Tried. I Don't Know How To Improve The Controls Either But Working That Out Is Above My Pay Grade. I Even Throw A Leg Kick When Meaning To Throw An Uppercut Which Are Both Supposed To Be Easy Strikes To Throw. I've Seen Others Have Problems With Those Same Two Strikes, As Well As Other Strikes Too.




          Originally posted by Nugget7211
          Also, why do you capitalise every word in your thread titles? Like, it's fine I'm just curious if it's deliberate or an autocorrect thing.
          ???

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          • Nugget7211
            MVP
            • Nov 2017
            • 1401

            #6
            Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

            Originally posted by Serengeti95
            It's Not Just The Body/Head Mix Ups Though. They're Just The Ones I Tried. I Don't Know How To Improve The Controls Either But Working That Out Is Above My Pay Grade. I Even Throw A Leg Kick When Meaning To Throw An Uppercut Which Are Both Supposed To Be Easy Strikes To Throw. I've Seen Others Have Problems With Those Same Two Strikes, As Well As Other Strikes Too.






            ???
            Well played sir
            **** off, Nugget7211 - GPD, 2017 & 2018
            Internet Hero - Jack Slack, 2018

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            • cal7_11
              Rookie
              • Aug 2009
              • 446

              #7
              Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

              Originally posted by ShogunsAssassin
              I don't think there is any incentive to learn combos when everyone can just fire off 4 hooks like Cody no love and get a rock or a finish.


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              This. This is the ONLY combo you need to know right now 😂 oh don’t forget to sway/duck before too

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              • Serengeti1
                MVP
                • Mar 2016
                • 1720

                #8
                Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

                Originally posted by Solid_Altair
                The controls could hardly be easier than they are now.

                And compared to other fight games, the execution requirements of this one are delightfully low.

                Just gotta bite the bullet.
                Are you sure there's not some rubik's cube god that can't figure this out? Cause that's what I'm hoping for.

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                • RetractedMonkey
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2017
                  • 1624

                  #9
                  Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

                  There’s no reason to throw these combos unless you’re in quick match and want to show off. A good player will dodge in the middle of your long combo and wreck you. But it is fun to destroy some guy who has no idea what he’s doing with a 6 punch combo.


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                  • MMA Damage
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2018
                    • 161

                    #10
                    Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

                    The hard/soft combo thing is just stupid and is no point to it. The way stats are set also makes no sense. None of it matters when all you need to do it ducking uppercuts.

                    No skill involved in this game. UFC 2 was cheesy and all but its way better than this game. And its a lot smoother.

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                    • ExOicho
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2018
                      • 185

                      #11
                      Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

                      This is like the lowest execution fighting game either way so it really doesn't matter imo. Last thing we need is UFC 2 style combos

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                      • Serengeti1
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2016
                        • 1720

                        #12
                        Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

                        Originally posted by MMA Damage
                        The hard/soft combo thing is just stupid and is no point to it. The way stats are set also makes no sense. None of it matters when all you need to do it ducking uppercuts.
                        I agree that a lot of the stats don't matter because of sway counters. Everyone has Rumble power anyway.

                        I find that basically all that matters in fights is who can land the sway counters. All the rest of it is just fluff. Stats. Combos. Outside fighting. Mostly fluff.

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                        • Serengeti1
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2016
                          • 1720

                          #13
                          Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

                          Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                          There’s no reason to throw these combos unless you’re in quick match and want to show off. A good player will dodge in the middle of your long combo and wreck you. But it is fun to destroy some guy who has no idea what he’s doing with a 6 punch combo.
                          I thought this too and still think it might be true. Thing is.... Nobody has experimented enough with the hard combos to know yet imo. There are 100. And that's just boxing combos. Wouldn't surprise me if there are a few gems that would work really well against good players if you timed them well.

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                          • Donnie_Brasco_FR
                            Pro
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 572

                            #14
                            Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

                            Thats very good that those complex combo are complex to use!

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                            • Serengeti1
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2016
                              • 1720

                              #15
                              Re: The Complex Combos. People Aren't Using Them. I Think They're Too Difficult.

                              Originally posted by Donnie_Brasco_FR
                              Thats very good that those complex combo are complex to use!
                              Smart response haha.

                              But that's kinda why I'm calling them complex. Because they're complex to input lol.

                              A lot of the hard ones aren't particularly complex irl

                              I don't think them being easier would be a problem. There's no combo multiplier so this will never be UFC 2. You can also counter them.

                              I'm just a bit worn out with the same two combinations with sways dominating the game. Want some more diversity.

                              Hopefully the patch will help with this too but yh

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