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  • 1212headkick
    Banned
    • Mar 2018
    • 1823

    #1

    should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

    thoughts criticisms welcomed
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  • Solid_Altair
    EA Game Changer
    • Apr 2016
    • 2043

    #2
    Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

    I'm a big fan of Euphoria, but I don't think the EA tech is lacking in any way that Euphoria would cover. I think my beefs with the animations are mostly a matter of composition, not tech.

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    • 1212headkick
      Banned
      • Mar 2018
      • 1823

      #3
      Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

      Originally posted by Solid_Altair
      I'm a big fan of Euphoria, but I don't think the EA tech is lacking in any way that Euphoria would cover. I think my beefs with the animations are mostly a matter of composition, not tech.
      the actual physics are far better imo

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      • Reinfarcements
        Pro
        • Nov 2017
        • 633

        #4
        Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

        I'd be the first one to support this (I have loved the Euphoria engine since GTA 4) if I thought it was possible. Thing is, the game would have to be designed in a completely different way, and likely completely from scratch. So I honestly doubt this is a possibility. I imagine designing a game with Euphoria in mind is completely different from anything else (unless you are just using it for KOs or Knockdowns, like GTA.)

        For those of you who do not know, the Euphoria engine literally creates physics based animations in real time, with AI behaviors attached to them. So essentially the game creates animations based on the scenario while you are playing, rather than having pre-made animations. At least for aspects of the game you use Euphoria for. It would introduce literally endless possibilities if used to its full potential.

        For example, in GTA 4 it was used for deaths and any time a character fell down. So what would happen if a character got shot in GTA 4? Euphoria would kick in and the character model would react to the bullet, falling according to the impact spot, but on top of that the character would have a "self-preservation" behavior attached to it. So basically the character would reach for things nearby to grab onto and try to keep balance, or avoid. All of these animations created in real time dynamically react to the situation at hand.

        Think of this in a MMA game. Scrambles and dynamic ground positions. Unique physics driven takedowns everytime. Knockdowns and rocked states that have the fighter actively trying to keep balance. Finish the fight scenarios that are completely physics driven. Strikes that look different based on the scenario. It would be beyond glorious.

        Thing is no one has ever used the Euphoria engine to that extent in their games, it would be extremely hard I imagine. But even for knockouts and finish the fight I think it would be amazing. Pretty sure its a super expensive engine to get though.
        Last edited by Reinfarcements; 05-26-2018, 06:28 PM.

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        • ZombieRommel
          EA Game Changer
          • Apr 2016
          • 659

          #5
          Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

          I highly doubt devs would do this. The Ignite engine is being used across all of EA's sports titles and the technology innovations each team makes for a given game can be (and have been) shared to the other franchises. The engine itself seems capable of reproducing an authentic MMA experience, but it's a matter of time and resources to get everything to the point we'd like to see it (IMO).
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          • Zeta Reticulan1
            Banned
            • Sep 2017
            • 471

            #6
            Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

            EA’s sports titles are supposed to all switch to Frostbite at some point.
            That probably doesn’t apply to smaller franchises like this though.

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            • 1212headkick
              Banned
              • Mar 2018
              • 1823

              #7
              Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

              Originally posted by Solid_Altair
              I'm a big fan of Euphoria, but I don't think the EA tech is lacking in any way that Euphoria would cover. I think my beefs with the animations are mostly a matter of composition, not tech.
              the knockouts are certainly a tech issue

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              • Solid_Altair
                EA Game Changer
                • Apr 2016
                • 2043

                #8
                Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

                Originally posted by 1212headkick
                the knockouts are certainly a tech issue
                In a way. But is teh challenge a mere physics challenge that Euphoria would help to solve?

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                • 1212headkick
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 1823

                  #9
                  Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

                  Originally posted by Solid_Altair
                  In a way. But is teh challenge a mere physics challenge that Euphoria would help to solve?
                  every knockout and slam would be different and they would show real reaction to it instead of just flopping to the ground like in Fight Night, plus you could transition to grappling without going from one animation to the next.

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                  • 1212headkick
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2018
                    • 1823

                    #10
                    Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

                    Instead of using predefined animations, the characters' actions and reactions are synthesized in real-time; they are different every time, even when replaying the same scene. While it is common for current video games to use limp "ragdolls" for animations generated on the fly, Euphoria employs a more complex method to animate the entirety of physically bound objects within the game environment.

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                    • Solid_Altair
                      EA Game Changer
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 2043

                      #11
                      Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

                      Originally posted by 1212headkick
                      Instead of using predefined animations, the characters' actions and reactions are synthesized in real-time; they are different every time, even when replaying the same scene. While it is common for current video games to use limp "ragdolls" for animations generated on the fly, Euphoria employs a more complex method to animate the entirety of physically bound objects within the game environment.
                      Yeah, so does the tech in UFC.

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                      • johnmangala
                        MVP
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 4525

                        #12
                        Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

                        Come on now, EA UFC 3 does not have a ragdoll effect like GTAV.

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                        • 1212headkick
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2018
                          • 1823

                          #13
                          Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

                          Originally posted by Solid_Altair
                          Yeah, so does the tech in UFC.
                          not true the animations are canned especially the horrible kos you know this man come on euphoria would make the game far more realistic dont lie man

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                          • gtrimolet
                            Rookie
                            • Jan 2018
                            • 37

                            #14
                            Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

                            "Euphoria, shut the **** up! I know that was you,
                            I ain't even gotta look! I should send your *** back
                            to Crenshaw Pete with his hot *** coat hangers,
                            Bitch, would you like that?.'

                            Black dynamite about euphoria

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                            • 1212headkick
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2018
                              • 1823

                              #15
                              Re: should ufc 4 use euphoria engine?

                              Next-Generation Animation Technology
                              NaturalMotion announces an engine to power games of the future.
                              by Charles Onyett
                              March 13, 2006 - NaturalMotion Ltd. announced today their run-time animation technology, euphoria, which will be used for development in AAA next-generation games on the Xbox 360, PS3 and PC. Though precisely which games have yet to be revealed, the euphoria engine promises to be a step forward for character animations. Using euphoria, developers can escape the need to pre-program character reactions. Instead, the engine will take into account multiple variables like physics and degree of force to determine how an in-game model should react, making for distinctive results every time.



                              "euphoria enables a whole new level of interactivity and realism during game play," says Torsten Reil, CEO of NaturalMotion. "Every time euphoria synthesizes what happens on the screen you know that no player has seen it before. It makes every game your unique experience. Every football tackle is your tackle. Every haymaker is your haymaker. It's not canned animation data, it's you. These unique game moments are what next-generation games are all about."

                              Based on NaturalMotion's Dynamic Motion Synthesis (DMS) technology, euphoria allows for A.I. to act as though they possess a central nervous system. In addition to producing more realistic animations, this technology is also purported to reduce development time because of its autonomous calculations. We'll have to wait for further announcements and information regarding which specific titles are using the technology, and to what ends.

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